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Completely Legal 26.5" OAL Custom 14" Remington 870 "Firearm". Shockwave grip.
No Stamp Required - Completely Legal 26.5" OAL Custom 14" Remington 870 chambered 3" 4+1 capacity.
Purchase includes all ATF Compliance paperwork. Completely LEGAL Custom 14" barrel Remington 870.
This is a NON-NFA, Completely Compliant and Legal 'Firearm' (technically not a shotgun). Transfers as "Other" on 4473. Seller is licensed Manufacturer and weapon includes makers marks.
(This grip configuration is the only legal option for this length barrel at this time) NO NY or CA sales.
Made to order, please allow 7 business days for delivery. More custom options are available and this is the NON-NFA 14" version. Please message [email protected] for the 12" AOW or SBS version and I will arrange payment and options.
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*Note - Please do not try this at home as specific rules must be followed in the NEW construction of these weapons.
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Comments (32)
The main problem I see with the Remington vs Mossberg is that the Mossberg has a strap on the forehand. A very important safety feature.
Why not just buy a Remington that comes from the factory with a pistol grip, and then cut the barrel down to 14 inches? That would keep it within the Pistol Grip Only Weapon guidelines, and it would cost less than half the cost of this one.
It wouldn't be illegal, as long as the overall length is at least 26". It would be the exact same thing that was done with this gun. If a "shotgun" comes from the factory with only a pistol grip, then it's technically not considered a shotgun; it's considered a Pistol Grip Only Firearm. In that case, the barrel length can be less than 18" as long as the overall length is at least 26". The laws may vary by state, but I've posted a link below to an article on Shockwave's website explaining it, which also lists links to additional information about it.
Nope. You are wrong. You can not cut a shotgun down to 14 inches even if it has a pistol grip. It has to have the type of pistol grip shown above. The shotguns sold in stores with a pistol grip is not considered a pistol.
I edited my last comment. What I meant to say in my original comment was that you could cut the barrel down to whatever length that would still allow the overall length to be at least 26". My mistake
I appreciate the comment. But I don't believe you can cut the barrel below the 18 inch thresh hold, even if the overall length is 26 in or more. This particular shotgun has a special pistol grip on it that makes the 14 in length legal and since the overall length on this gun is 26 in or more, you don't need the $200 double tax stamp or the $5.00 double tax stamp. This particular pistol grip is what makes it unnecessary to have any stamp. It is classified as a "AOW".
Know what your talking about before posting please. This really didn't have to be so confusing until superar started posting incorrect info. Its not complicated. 1) start out with factory Pistol Grip firearm. 2) do whatever the hell you want to the barrel and pistol grip such that your overall length is at least 26". (Note: if you go with the longer shockwave raptor grip then this will allow you to shorten the barrel a little more than if you just use a standard pistol grip). Holiday93 was correct all along.
You will need a $5 stamp on the weapon if it is shorter than the 26 inches required. So you are saying that you can just cut any shotgun as you described above? You better check "know what you are talking about" before posting such on the internet. You could get someone in big trouble for "knowing it all".
I'm not saying you can cut the barrel down to 14" if it has a factory pistol grip, because then the overall length would most likely be less than 26". The reason they use the Shockwave Raptor Grip on this gun is because it's longer than a standard pistol grip, which allows them to cut the barrel shorter than they would be able to cut it if it had a standard pistol grip. The pistol grip isn't what makes this a non-NFA firearm; the overall length is. And this is not classified as an AOW. If it was, it would require a $200 tax stamp. I'm really not trying to argue here. This is information that has been discussed in great extent. Check out this FFL Newsletter from the ATF. On the bottom of page 2, there is a section titled "Pistol Grips and Shotguns." That sums it up pretty well.
I might have been wrong on the AOW designation. The special pistol grip does make the shot long enough to satisfy the law. The shotguns with the regular pistol grips will not do that. I have the Mossberg Shorty which is classified as a pistol, the barrel is 14 inches and the overall length is 26. The other classifications are AOW or short barreled shotgun which require a $5 or $200 stamp. I know that you are not arguing. I enjoy the chat. Always try to learn something about the complicated and unnecessary gun laws.
Yeah, that's the thing; there are so many different complicated gun laws that make figuring this stuff out a real pain haha.
UROK. I purchased a Mossberg Shorty with the Magpul furniture. Love that gun. Ultimate defense. Paid $600 for it. So the $389 for the Buds Gun Mossberg would be a good deal, unless it does not have the Magpul furniture on it.
You are both wrong. You can only build a AOW from a virgin receiver that was never registered as a shotgun. So, no matter what's the length buying a shotgun and cutting down the barrel and adding exactly the same pistol grip would not make it an AOW.
I did not say that. Re-read my comments.
I never said that cutting down the barrel on a shotgun would necessarily make it an AOW.
Pistol Grip Only Firearm (PGO) - a firearm that is made from the factory with a pistol grip, and has never had a shoulder stock attached...A "shotgun" in this configuration would technically not be considered a shotgun, since it never had a shoulder stock. Therefore, the barrel can be cut down as long as the overall length remains at least 26". This is the only type of "shotgun" that can have a barrel length less than 18" without a tax stamp. In other words, you can't take a shotgun that was made with a shoulder stock, put a pistol grip on it, and cut the barrel down.
Read the information in the link below and in the links listed on that page, which are letters directly from the ATF. It sums up everything there is to know about PGO firearms.
Interesting comment. I am familiar with "AOW" "SBR" and "other". Thanks for sharing the "PGO" and explanation. Tried to look up the "other' definition on WiKi. They talk about "AOW" a lot, but not "other". It seems like they have taken the 2nd Amendment and added so many complicated laws to it, so they can make you a felon, fine you $250,000 and throw you in jail for 10 years.
Because AOW means Any Other Weapon... it's the same thing.
I believe AOW requires a $5 stamp. "Other" classified like the weapon above does not require any stamp.
The Mossberg is $389 shipped on Bud's. The Remington is $618.99 shipped. The Mossberg is actually more than $200 less than the Remington.
Rip-off! You can buy the regular 18.5" version of this exact gun for literally half the price! I'm sure these would be in much higher demand and Remington will sell a lot more of them if they weren't twice the price for half the gun.
This is a 14 inch barrel. Yours would be an 18.5 inch barrel. Don't need a $200 stamp for this one. Great deal. These sell for $599 at other places.
That would cost you $200 extra dollars and paperwork.
Mossberg came out with one $200 cheaper
Mossberg holds 1 more round also I kinda recall.
yeah but it's a Mossberg
as a shotgun guy that has regularly burned out decent quality shotguns, AKA shoot enough volume that they wear out and become unsafe to shoot. I am not a brand snob or a hater, I just know what has worked for me over a life time of high volume shotgun shooting. I don't know why or what it is about em but, I've only rarely managed to convince anyone from the AR/AK crowd to get a rem 870 over a Mossberg and that's ok, it's their $, I just try to help. I also acknowledge that in the last few years several of the latest models are way above par for Mossberg but, at no point have I seen any Mossberg that I've had in my hands, tuned or not, perform at the same level as any properly tuned rem870, and I really don't care if it's "battle proven"...for me personally, for a $200 difference I'll take the 870 every time
The trigger group is a lot simpler on a 870, and many, many mods. We all have our preference, like blonds, or redheads. I like them all. Also, this type of grip is a lot better on your hand then a pistol grip. My short barrel 870 is 34" long.
I would also prefer a Remington over a Mossberg, but to me, this is more of a novelty kind of shotgun; just something neat to have and shoot once in a while. For something like that, a lot of people would probably rather save the $200 and go with the Mossberg.
Chances are you are only going to use it once or twice, so get the cheapest one that works.