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OK so nobody really knows how well this thing will work but I figured I would post it up. Just started taking pre-orders for it. Don't start slamming me gun.deals haters no it's not a deal, yes it's expensive, no it's not even out yet. But I bet it will be months before these things are easy to find so for those who want an alternative to the rather crappy slide-fire stock this may be it! Go check it out at least.
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For those who are confused by this: it is essentially a geissele ssa-e trigger but with a third option for the selective fire control. I don't personally think that's worth the extra $300 when nobody knows the quality of this trigger yet; to each their own, however.
Hopefully, this turns out to be a good product and other people make knock-offs for a reasonable price, because it certainly is interesting.
$500 for something I can do with a gumband and my thumb??
In for 12!!!!!!!!!!
That's the difference between legal and illegal. $500 for legal $12 for illegal. It will cost you a lot more then $12 if caught.
I was going to be generous and offer bigben rubber bands at $490 a piece (shipping not included), but now I realized if I did, I'd have sold him machine gun parts and gotten us both convicted of constructive intent. Whew, close call.
the website description kinda sucks... i have seen the video a few times and what it looks like is that the "third mode" basically fires another round when you release the trigger? but that doesnt seem to match what the description is attempting to say. but if its anything less than i cant even begin to fathom all the hype
I to would like more info on how this works. Does it work on the old bump fire system. Basically is it just a lighter trigger that makes bump firing easier??? Or what?
thats what i am starting to think the more i read their description over and over. i think its basically making it easy to bump fire by being real short reset and light trigger. if thats all it does, i dont give a shit about it.
Did you guys read the ATF letter? I thought that made it pretty clear. As I read it, there is a lever in the FCG connecting the hammer to the trigger in such a way that some of the force of the hammer resetting is transferred to the trigger to reset it. In this way, as it states in the ATF letter, the force of the trigger reset "forces the shooter's finger forward" along with it. Thus, it would appear that as long as you're squeezing the trigger, it'll keep firing, and your finger will just move back and forth with the trigger each time.
The difference between this and the SlideFire is how the trigger is reset. The SlideFire stock and bumpfiring rely on recoil to move the -entire gun backward- while you exert forward force on the gun to keep pressure on the trigger, whereas this system -pushes the trigger forward- and all you need to do is keep squeezing.
I wonder... if you could squeeze the trigger so hard that the bolt carrier is stopped just shy of battery... and if so, how hard do you have to pull it to cause that
That's not possible. If you look at the design of the trigger, it appears that said lever is actuated at the very end of the movement of the hammer backward, and is not integrated into/with it. It even appears that the hammer locks into the disconnect before it even reaches that lever, so if anything, you would just exert enough force that it would be like the "semi auto" mode and you would have to release the force on the trigger to reset it. Also, the hammer is reset by the backward motion of the BCG, so if you were able to arrest that movement at the hammer, you'd get a FTE issue.
i agree on all points but if it is really resetting the trigger on the backward motion of the bolt carrier, doesnt that mean that the hammer is dragging on the carrier during while the carrier is going into battery? basically acting as if you just removed the disconnector? in which case you never even needed the trigger to reset?
I hear what you're saying. I have to imagine they've engineered it in such a way to prevent that, considering that a function of an auto sear is to prevent the premature forward movement of the hammer when there's no disconnect, so apparently that can't be good.
I'm guessing the amount of time it takes the hammer to get caught on the disconnect is already plenty for the bolt to go into battery. If it was acting as though there was no disconnect, and it was still able to function, you'd see fire rates comparable to M16 auto fire, whereas this system is noticeably slower.
I hope so but I have been studying this thing for a hour or two and not seeing how. I would assume that the hammer will maintain enough momentum to fire the primer even if it was dragging on the carrier... This wouldn't be ideal because it's probably not as reliable and obviously a lot more wear... I also assume that simply removing your disconnector would be illegal... But what makes this legal is the forced reset.
Good conversation
Just found this video of it in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnDoQtSH7NM...
Looks like it, from the vid if u look the rifle moves forward and back rapidly, I'm real tempted to try and would possibly purchase if I could understand it better or more clearly I should say,but I'm also thinking it means the reset forces the trigger from being locked to forcing it to push the trigger forward and u as the shooter is still applying force on the trigger which sets off another round, and repeat
I think i see what youre saying... basically even though the user is holding down the trigger, the force applied from the bolt carrier momentum overcomes the users finger and resets the trigger anyway, causing the user to fire again since he was still pulling back on the trigger?
if thats how it works... that is a lot cooler than just an easy to bumpfire trigger
Yes better said, kind of what I gathered from the ATF letter, at least what I understood, but I think I'm going to email them for more info,if that's how it works I'm definitely getting at least one
I almost hit the button. I don't know what's going to come of this, if it becomes a thing, $495 may sound like a bargain later on. (See Lightning Link, etc) ---
I know, I know. I've heard every bid of "$500 worth of training" / "if you can't xyz" whatever. I get that. I'm almost hoping for bad reviews.
Looks to work on the same principal as the reactive triggers, that have been in the paintball industry for years. One applies just enough pressure to sweet spot the gun and get it to go full auto. Pretty effective with practice.
Look up Automag RT