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Sig P365 - The Gold Standard of EDC Handguns
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Good morning everyone, hope you’re all having a wonderful day today. Today we’re gonna be taking a look at the SIG P365.
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Full disclosure on the SIG P365, we have no affiliation with SIG whatsoever, we paid our own money for this. We actually got this, this is technically a factory second or a factory refurbished, really it’s just a way to get around the map pricing. We picked this up for 420$ from Locked and Loaded I wanna say, so 420 buck shipped was a very, very good price for a brand new SIG P365 with night sights but, again, we have no affiliation or sponsorship with SIG for this video.
For those of you who don’t know, the SIG P365 is sort of progenitor or the gold standard of sub-compact, slim, double stack or 1 and a half stack magazines, so what you get is a very small, very lightweight package that still has a very decent ammo capacity. Back in the day it used to be the Glock 43 was the small, slam, light gun, but it only had a seven round capacity. Nowadays the SIG P365 has 10, you have the shield plus at 12, the XL at 12, the Hellcat at 12, so you get a lot more capacity with that double stack or one and a half stack-style magazines with a virtually unchanged exterior dimensions which means that you get more, up more capacity, you get more rounds per magazine in a very similar package and, again, the SIG P365 was kind of the first venture or at least the first mainstream venture into that realm and it was very, very successful.
There are a lot of different versions of the SIG P365, I think there’s 10 or 12 total different variations. This one specifically is the Nitron version, so this one here actually comes with very nice night sights as standard, which is quite nice, again, especially for the price that we paid a 420. Since this inception there is a ton of competition in the space and today we’re gonna be going over how it performed and whether or not, even in 2022 heading into 2023 and the future, if it is still worth the money and it’s still worthy of basically being the gold standard or the original in that double stack, sub-compact genre.
Getting into specifics on the SIG P365, let’s go ahead and start with its diminutive size. Overall, you have a gun that is slightly less than six inches long, I believe it’s 5.8 inches long, just over one inch wide at 1.06 inches, 4.3 inches tall with the flush fit magazine with a 3.1-inch barrel.
The weight comes in at under 18 ounces. Under 18 ounces for any handgun is very, very light and, again, depending on the magazine you’re using you’re either getting 10 or 12 rounds of capacity in a very small, very compact package.
The barrel material itself, I believe is 4150, which is a very tough, very durable steel though we’re only dealing with 9mm, so it’s not the most imperative but, again, it is a high quality steel. Now, material on the slide is stainless steel, I believe, again, it’s probably 416, they don’t say exactly what the material it is but if I had to bet I would say it’s probably 416.
The finish, in my very limited time and use with the P365 has held up well, though I have heard from several other sources that the coating on the P365 is a little bit lacking and does tend to rust in very adverse wet and moist environments, so depending on your use case for it and where you live. I would definitely look into that and see whether that could be an issue for you and your circumstances.
The frame itself is going to be a very standard polymer frame. When we get into specifics on it, it does have an accessory rail, not a Picatinny rail, it’s its own kind of proprietary rail. The virtue of this being a very popular handgun means that they make a lot of aftermarket accessories for it, so if this is a P365, an everyday carry gun, if you will, the importance of having a light and a holster that fits said light is very… the likelihood of that is very high when you have a popular handgun that a lot of people are making accessories for. On top of that, it does come, again, with very nice night sights, but on anything that you’re gonna be carrying nearly 100% of the time, personally I would want to have a light on it which is why currently I do not have a light for this handgun and if I were to be carrying this, this might be my only carry gun, it would definitely have to have a light on it. This is being said because it does not have a light on it. There are certain circumstances which I absolutely will not carry it.
Moving back from the accessory rail we have our takedown lever and slide stop and slide release. This is, again, kind of an every-day carry design, so it is fairly diminutive though I haven’t had any issues getting it to work on the range or having it not work or being accidentally held down or held up. I haven’t had any sort of ergonomic issues with it, it is fairly far forward so if you have smaller hands, like my wife’s hands, for instance, that can be a very difficult thing to reach and to get enough leverage on to actuate, again, for some people it’s gonna be an issue for some people it won’t be, it’s really gonna depend on your body dynamics.
Getting into the grip itself, this is a kind of tale of two cities, about 50% of the area where you will be touching the gun has absolutely no texturing whatsoever, so if your hands are sweaty, it’s wet, muddy, what have you, you’re gonna be lacking a lot of the grip that you could have. Should they continue on the decent texturing that they have higher up and put it in more places, so a lot of what you see here is just perfectly smooth, slick, polymer which I do not prefer and then the bottom half of the grip which is the more important place to have it though, again, I would rather have it in more places. The texturing itself is good, it’s grippy, it’s kind of a light, sand paper-ish texture, it’s definitely not something that I would consider to be overly aggressive though it still does provide you with enough grip and, again, for every day carry they probably don’t want it to be too uncomfortable for people carrying it in appendix and depending on your holster and a variety of other factors as well. Again, I wish they just had more of it in more places and that is basically my complaint with every modern factory handgun.
Let’s go ahead and talk about the worst part of every SIG P365 and it’s actually not the trigger, it’s actually gonna be the magazines. The magazines themselves are fairly high quality, I have had not a single issue with any of them, the problem with them is they’re 60 bucks.
For what?!
And it only comes with two of them, so they are extremely overpriced. You can probably find them on sale occasionally for 50 or maybe slightly under 5o. Dealer price on these is not good either, if you wanted to know. These are overpriced to an insane degree probably because they’re not making much money on the handguns themselves and then they’re nickel and diming you for the accessories. All jokes aside, the magazine quality themselves is quite nice, they fit very nicely. They come with two different type, the one that I have here has a little bit of an extended grip and they have more of a flush fit on. They both have the same 10 rounds though generally when I’m carrying it. I have this slightly extended base plate model as it is slightly better for me to carry. Now, I have smaller-ish hands, if you have larger hands you will absolutely not be able to get all of your fingers on the grip without hanging your pinky down below because, again, I have a harder time fitting all of my fingers on the grip and I have smaller-sized hands, so if you have medium-sized hands or larger you’re gonna have a little bit harder of a time.
To remedy, some of that SIG has very nicely undercut the handgun, you could make it a little bit more aggressive if you wanted to remove some excess material there though not much. They’ve done about as good as they could without making the grip a little bit longer.
Talking about the magazine and magazine release, magazines drop free, again, the magazines themselves, while they are viciously overpriced, they are very nice in terms of their function. We jammed these fully loaded 10+1 every single time that we shot it on the range and had absolutely no issues.
We can actually go ahead and talk about the trigger. When you pick this up for the first time, as I did and dry-fire it, the trigger feels absolutely terrible, it feels like a spongy wet fart. There’s like three different walls, so basically you have your normal amount of take-up for a striker-fired handgun, all of that is just fine, and then you sit there and you build pressure and it’s going to roll through like a first gritty wall, see their trigger moved like a quarter inch or so, did not break but it moved about a quarter inch. I’m on like the second wall and if I keep building pressure, it’s moving, it’s moving, it’s moving and now it breaks and then it breaks at the very, very back. Not only that, but it has this really weird sound and feel to it sounds like a buffer spring twain from like an AR-15, so, again, you have that normal amount of take-up, all that is fine, you pull through that first wall, you see my finger moves and you have that second wall, almost it’s like a three stage trigger, so you have that, now you’re on the wall and then it moved again and it kind of rolls through and eventually breaks at somewhere between like 6, 6.5 pounds. The trigger itself is not heavy, it is a decent feeling trigger, so if you’re sitting there just pulling it quickly you’re not really gonna notice the fact that it has a very creepy, gritty, it’s not really gritty, I would say, but it almost has lie three different walls in there where you kind of get, it’ll move and then move and then move again if you pulling it really slowly.
However, even though I do have some problems with the grip, some of the ergonomics, well not really the ergonomics, but the grip itself, isn’t my favorite and the trigger feels bad. When I was actually shooting this I had a very pleasant time with it, I was able to hit standing shots at 70, 80 yards on reduced-size steel absolutely without issues, I had no problems with it whatsoever.
The one thing I would say about it that we haven’t talked about, while the trigger pull itself is bad, it’s kind of bad, the reset is also pretty long, it is force but it’s pretty long, so if you’re used to a shorter style reset this can throw you off a little bit, so the first couple times, usually when I get a gun out of the box, the first thing I do is I just burn through a mag, that’s not how you should break in every gun, that’s generally what I choose to do to be a little bit harsher on them than you need to be, but, generally when I would pull it up and I would want to, Ok, so I’m just gonna draw and go for it, I would have a little bit of a trigger freeze because I’m used to shooting Glocks, Caniks and even like Smith and Wesson which doesn’t have a great reset but they have a better reset or at least a shorter reset than the SIG P365. Now, that is just a training thing, once you get used to it you can shoot it just as fast as any other micro compact gun.
In terms of accuracy, again, while the trigger does not feel good in dry fire, does not feel good when you’re sitting there and you’re really going over all of its dynamics, it doesn’t feel very good, it feels subjectively or objectively bad I would say, but then when you actually take it out and shoot it, it was actually very pleasant.
Yeah, you really gonna let go of the trigger, to let it reset. You can’t ride it as hard as you can on some other guns.
The one thing that I will say is that that is aided by the sights on here are very good, so the sight picture that you get is you have a high-vis, it’s just basically a painted-green front sight and then you have, of course, three tritium vials, two on the back, one in the front and then you have a squared notch in the rear and they’re all serrated to reduce glare. The sight picture works very well, it’s fairly precise sight picture, there’s not a lot air one way or the other and that for me is kind of like how I like iron sights. I prefer red dots, but if it’s gonna be iron sights I don’t like there to be too much air because I feel like that’s a little bit more ambiguous as to where that front sight should actually be and, again, on the SIG P365 taking shoots at 60, 70 yards was no problem whatsoever and it was actually fairly accurate and easy to control.
When I say easy to control, we are still talking about a 18-ounce gun, a small 18-ounce gun, firing full power 9mm ammunition. A lot of what we shot was 115 grain Tula and then 124 grain Norma, so there was a big discrepancy in terms of power between those two ammunitions and with like a 115+p or 124+p you are definitely going to feel the recoil, not that it’s uncontrollable but it is definitely something that is more aggressive, more snappy, more pushy than a larger full-size frame gun will be. So, while the trigger and grip combined kind of fell sub-par on paper or at least in dry fire, again, when you’re actually shooting them I have no complaints whatsoever. We just took this out of the box, jammed up some magazines, put a couple of hundred rounds through it of really crappy, steel case ammunition and some Norma 124 grains and it had absolutely zero issues, reliability so far has been perfect. Now, we’re gonna keep this around for some time, we’re gonna do comparisons between this and other sub-compact guns just like we’re doing with full-size gun, so we’ll have kind of two distinct categories of guns to review, the full-size guns and comparing them between themselves and then the smaller guns, the sub-compacts will also be comparable.
It’s not that bad!
It’s not that bad, I mean it is small gun. There’s quite recoil to it, but able to target like 60 yards first mag.
Trigger sucks…but!
At this point I’m actually very pleased with how it shot, how it actually performed when shooting with it, how controllable it was, how easy it was to make shots at extended distances, especially for a sub-compact gun, so its performance so far has been flawless, I don’t have any complaints about that whatsoever and especially for, again, the price that we paid for it, 420 bucks, for a very decently featured, small-framed gun with a decent capacity, very good iron sights that, again, performed very well when actually shooting it, so it really doesn’t leave me with all that much to complain about, yeah, the magazines are expensive and overpriced, the grip texture is ok to sub-par and the trigger doesn’t feel good in dry fire but, again, it’s real world performance and reliability, so far has been very, very good.
