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Easy to Use, Easy to Conceal - Walther CCP M2 .380
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Hey guys, welcome back. I do a lot of reviews and videos on concealed carry, self-defense guns, I've done a lot, especially on the 22 and the 9 mm. For me it was always kind of those were the two options, either the really small, really lightweight, no recoil 22, 22 mag, and then the 9mm. One thing that I really hadn't considered much was the 380, one of the reasons was is just when I looked at it ballistically, and I guess the feedback that I had heard was that it recoiled a lot like a nine, in fact I've heard that a lot and then when I look at it ballistically my thought was –it is okay if it feels like a nine and it takes up about the same size as a nine.
Here's my Springfield Hellcat and when we hold these over they're pretty much about the same weight and size, to me seemed logical why not go with the nine, until I came across Walther's CCP M2, which is supposed to have a lot less recoil. So, this kind of has three big things going for it that got my attention, the easy to rack, for those that have weak hand strength, ladies or as we get older racking a 9 mill, and some of those sometimes that's hard, the 22 is pretty easy, but with this we have easy racking. The recoil is supposed to be significantly reduced with this, and yet we've got a lot more punch and the reliability of a center fire than a 22 Long Rifle. Anyway, I am really curious to shoot this, I have never shot a 380 before, so this is going to be completely new for me. Let's get to shooting and see what Walther came up with.
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This has actually got a lot of unique features, we'll go through those on the specs and tech. One thing that I want to point out is the iron sights are going to be compatible with the Glock 19/17, and that's going to be big for a lot of folks. The other thing I want to point out is a Soft Coil gas system, that is what reduces the recoil on this, and I'll show you that here in just a second on the specs and tech.
Specs and Tech
Specs and Tech
- Model: 5083500
- Caliber: 9mm
- Barrel Length: 3.54”
- Trigger Pull: 5.5 lbs
- Trigger Travel: 0.27”
- Capacity: 8 rds
- Overall Length: 6.41”
- Height: 5.12”
- Safety: 1 Manual + 1 Auto
- Width: 1.18”
- Weight Empty: 20 oz
EASY TO RACK. TOOL-LESS TAKEDOWN. REDUCED RECOIL.
The all-new CCP M2 + models will now have a precision-machined slide that increases durability and reliability. Also, this precision-machined slide will have a new sight cut which will allow for the installation of any Glock 19/17 series sights. Making this a much easier experience for shooters to purchase their preferred iron sights and allowing the dealer to easily have on-hand the choices without adding more SKUs to their assortment of aftermarket iron sights.
Maximum efficiency. Minimal effort. An achievement born from an unabating commitment to excellence. All in the most comfortable and accessible firearm offered in the market today.
The CCP M2 Handgun series represents the next step in the pursuit of perfection at Walther. Before the CCP, the only available easy to rack handgun was the .380 ACP. Once again pushing beyond the boundaries of expectations to meet this demand, Walther released the extraordinary CCP M2 9mm pistol.
The CCP – or Concealed Carry Pistol – is the first polymer pistol with Soft-coil technology. This technology improves the user’s experience by reducing overall felt recoil and allowing the slide to be easily manipulated regardless of hand strength. The CCP is also the most ergonomic and comfortable handgun in Walther’s dynamic concealed carry lineup. Tool-less takedown and a fixed barrel allow for easy cleaning and maintenance, making this one of the most accessible pistols available today.
With additional popular features such as an external safety, front, and rear slide serrations, and a reversible magazine release, the CCP M2 handgun is sure to become a valuable addition to your everyday carry.
I know some people like out-of-the-box so I always feel compelled to do it, we'll just do a quick out-of-the-box, I had already opened it. I got to say, their claim that it is the most ergonomic, at least initially grabbing it. That works, it's the most ergonomic. Also they talk about easy rack that is that is light.
Nice!
I got a little swap here, an extra mag, and then you have the lock and instructions up here. There you go, guys, that's out-of-the-box in less than 30 seconds.
We got it out of the box, let's just kind of do a quick up close, we'll just start front and go to back. The sights on this are polymer sights, that's kind of the wave of the future, I prefer metal sights. This one does have a spare, I should say a lower one, that is how you adjust the elevation on this. The rear sight, also polymer, is adjustable for windage but not elevation, so if our shots are going low this would be the higher sight, we're going to replace it with the lower sight. We do have a nice three-slot Picatinny rail here which is great for a small gun like this, a lot of them they don't have that. It's got nice cuts and grooves I guess, it's sexy, it's ergonomic, it feels good, that's one of the claims, it's one of the highest in the class for the ergonomics. I have small hands, guys, and this I will say that is that claim is spot on, this is really comfortable. We’ve got a high finger cut here and a swell here that fits perfect with my hand, and then my other two fingers. Those of you with Shrek hands, sorry, I'm not sure it may not fit like that. It's got a great palm swell.
The texturing is aggressive, I really like that. Up here, the serrations, they're nice and deep and they go kind of the whole way, so we've got on the front and also in the back, and they are aggressive, which I like, you don't want shallow ones, you want to be able to grab and pull. We have the slide catch or slide release, it is only on the left side, so that is not ambidextrous, neither is the safety, the safety is only on the left side. We do have the mag release and we can change that, so at least the lefties can have the mag release on the right side. It won't go off without the mag in, so we just checked it. This is where we hit the takeup, it's got a fairly crisp brake, it does have a really long reset, right there was the click, but basically we're back. I wouldn't say that it's gritty, but it's got a lot of creep, it's OK, and we'll measure that out.
On the back here I want to show you, this is the strike indicator, and you can feel that, it's palpable, so if for whatever reason low light, you can just… okay, we're chambered and it's cocked, and then when we fire that completely disappears, it would feel different but then you also wouldn't be able to see it. For this assembly this is going to be different than most of the things that you've probably shot, you have to de-cock the hammer, and then back here we push this in, and then this slides over, and then that piece protrudes out. Once we do that then we can just bring the slide up and it comes off. We got the recoil spring, this is really light, this is the over the barrel, and then we have the fixed barrel.
One thing that I'm seeing off the back here, and I'm not sure, I haven't seen where I can necessarily get this out easy, it is going to make cleaning from the breech, well, difficult, challenging or not possible, and that's something that I don't like, I'll have to look further into it to see if this will come off, otherwise we're going to have to clean from the barrel, and then sort of do a job here on the feed ramp and so forth. Here on the slide itself, this is interesting, this is not the guide rod because the barrel is the guide rod. This is the delayed gas blowback piston, so believe it or not this is a piston, and it is going to go under the barrel here, so there is actually going to be a hole or a chamber that goes from the barrel down into that chamber and that is going to work with this piston to delay the blowback or the recoil, which is going to give us supposedly a lot lighter, felt actual perceived recoil which is then why the spring we're able to have a little bit lighter spring. That's also why when we did the open the box we saw that brush, that is for getting in the piston, that's not for cleaning the barrel.
Then to reassemble we just simply reverse, that goes up here. This part I have found to be, I wouldn't say tricky, but that piston has to be just right, you got to hit that hole, and it kind of moves around, there we go, and I went just a little bit too far. We only have to come back to here, drops down, that's it. Then that goes there, we push this in, that automatically comes back, and we're good to go. I'm super excited to see what kind of recoil this has. Honestly, guys, I've never shot a 380, I have heard that they're not a whole lot different than a 9 mill, and one of the reasons why I don't have a 380 is my thought has always been why would I go with a 380 if it has the same recoil, and we're about the same size as a 9 mill, I can get a whole lot more punch with a 9 mill. So, I'm hoping that this is going to have a lot less recoil and then this would actually be sort of in between a nine and really our only other viable option which is 22 or 22 Mag.
There you go, guys, let's get to shooting!
Did a review on some AAC ammo, and that's going to give me my first opportunity to test the recoil, but also just an initial shooting, I've got some steel back there, I'm about 25 yards, it'll be a good way to start, if I'm hitting the steel with this that's off to a great start. Let's just check it out.
I got a review of my ProChrono DLX, I absolutely love that, that that was a great first impression, I really like that, that was actually really enjoyable to shoot. The recoil is definitely less than the 9 mill, it felt more like a 22 Mag. I'm going to grab actually some 9 mill, we'll do a comparison, I'm going to do a slow-mo, I'm want to compare it to my Hellcat, we'll do a side slow-mo, I'll do the best that I can to hold it, I'll do a firm grip and we'll see what we can see, and I'll tell you at least my honest subjective feedback, but we got some nice data here as far as what we can expect out of this gun.
For a lot of years I heard that the recoil with the 380 was the same as the nine. I don't know how well you could see the difference, but I could can tell you I absolutely felt the difference, and I don't know if that's for all 380s,this is the first 380 that I've ever shot, but there is significantly less recoil with the CCP, I really like that.
Unfortunately, my wife just left for kind of a vacation, today she's going to be back, I cannot wait to put this in her hands and see what she thinks, not that she can't handle recoil because she likes the 10mm, but anyway just a second opinion other than mine. One thing that I would love to see with this, because my nine it's a double stack, and this holds 13 and this only holds 8. Walther, if you double stack this, if you figure out a way to double stack this, that would be awesome, that would be a game changer because I'm guessing you can get a whole lot more in it than the nine.
The other thing would be, throw optics ready on there, everybody's liking optics, I don't necessarily, not for concealed carry, but as far as marketing, that would put this really all in a class of its own, not that it's not already, but, hey, just food for thought.
I just want to see what kind of groups I can get with this. I'm guessing 20 yards, 20/25, 25 would be Max. Let's see what we can get. I've got uh some AAC ammo, I'm doing a review on.
My vision's not what it used to be, I can't quite see where the holes are from here, let's just take a look. That's not bad, one, two, three, four, five, we did five. Let's put another five in. I got to say this is really distracting because I got bugs crawling all over me, let's go take a look.
So, we already had one there, so I got two there, I think I got two more there. Let's just do another 10 rounds and see what's our overall grouping after 20 rounds.
Something if you know about me, I really hate bugs, I hate bugs. This is why I love winter and snow, and freezing doesn't bother me.
You know, guys, for a little itty-bitty gun and iron sights, benching at 25 yards, with bugs crawling all over my legs, I'm very satisfied with that. I would love to see them make this optics ready cuz I guarantee you if we could put a red dead on that I bet you we could have a group all of it, like this, but anyway, there you go. Let's start having some fun on some steel, let's jump back to 50 yards, see if we can bang on our steel over here, and then we're going to jump to 100 yards, and we'll go back to the CQB range.
I’m think about it, we're going to do all these upgrades to it, we're going to make it a double stack, we're going to make it optics ready. Let's get the barrel threaded too so I can put my can on it because all of these are pretty much going to be subsonic, right off the bat, man, that's going to be a fun-gun.
One of my biggest concerns with the 380 was always punch, power. Ballistically, when you look at it on paper it didn't have a lot of ump, you know, so I thought hey let's try the 100 grain full metal jacket and we just blew through 16 inches of gel, no problem, so you we've definitely got some energy there and some penetration, I mean we have exceeded what the FBI lays out as an absolute minimum. A granite that is a full metal jacket, but I'm suspecting when we get some hollow-points and self-defense rounds come in than we're going to have more impressive than I would have anticipated.
Let’s see what we can do down there at 50!
Nice, I love it!
I've got a Crimson Trace laser on here, I do not recommend Crimson Trace, it just happened to be the only laser that I had on hand, I got it zeroed and it's already off, so that's fine, we're going to go back and we're going to use the iron sights, which is what most of you want to see. Anyway, how well can we transition with these iron sights?
We got down there at 25 yards, let's see how we can do it at 25yards!
With that gassing it is getting warm here on the side, which normally it wouldn't be doing that, but it's blowing that hot gas down in there, and that is hot. As far as self-defense, you're hopefully not dumping that many rounds that you're going ‘ooh, you know, my gun is super hot!
A way down there is 50, let's see if we can do 50, one-handed!
There you go, guys, 250 rounds!
I did catch a couple reviews where they said that this gets warm. They're not at the range and they're not dumping ammo because that gets hot. That's the only thing I don't necessarily like, if you're going to go dump a bunch of ammo, I mean that's hot, that's probably about 150 right now, and I just dumped 50 after kind of letting it cool off, but if we're going to dump a couple hundred rounds that thing's going to get smoking hot.
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