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Local gun store here has PMags IN STOCK (per their Facebook page).
Price gouging, but it shows the stores true colors and what they're willing to do to make a buck. Only a deal due to the fact it's in stock... M2's don't include a dust cover.
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We agree on the fact that we won't do business with them. But how will you know who NOT to do business with unless people "whine" about it? And as for selling, there's a big difference. Business vs personal. If you own a business your profit is made in the selling of items and their mark up (which here is almost 4x MSRP).
And yes, if I had a surplus of magazines and WANTED to sell them... I would sell them to my FRIENDS at MSRP or what I paid for them. I wouldn't sell them to those outside the people I know. I'm not out to regularly buy items just to sell them, otherwise, I would be a business...
TRADE IN YOUR GOLD BARS......THESE ARE WORTH MORE!
A HOLES OUT HERE IN AZ ARE TRYING TO GET UP TO 80 A POP !
SAVE US!!!
See, I don't do business with this store even though they are a mile from my house because after SHTF with Sandy Hook they immediately spiked prices. They sell hundreds of "rebuild kits" all the time. While I appreciate their support for 2A, I think their attitude sucks when it comes to their prices.
I won't deny CA's laws are dumb, but we deal with what we have.
That being said, the only people who are buying mags right now at these prices are the panic buyers. The only people who are selling them are the price gougers. Those of us who are properly prepared and already have a solid supply of mags don't want to sell, and asking us to is ridiculous. I know I COULD sell my mags if I wanted to, but why be part of the problem and support the panic buyers?
See, where you and I differ is that even thought I was BORN a Californian, I had enough common sense to move away from that God-foresaken state.
Well, we ALSO differ in that you seem to have ABSOLUTELY ZERO understanding of BASIC Economic Principles, and how the Invisible Hand is ALWAYS at work, whether you like it or not. Or rather, despite your "not liking the way that life works."
Let me give you a small hint: it's called "Supply & Demand."
The "Fair Market Price" is that price at a which a WILLING BUYER and a WILLING SELLING, free of any coercion or government interference, will conduct a Purchase/Sale.
I know that being a Californian resident, you are used to your state government imposing "price controls" and leaving you with the misimpression that all prices can be fixed by the government, and that the law of Supply & Demand can be legislated away by gov'ment
You further display your ignorance of Economics by encouraging others not to join in the selling, so as not to "take advantage" of people that "need" hard to find items - do you have any idea that by removing would-be Sellers from the market, you are restricting/preventing supply from coming on to the market to bring a normalcy to prices? If everybody at once decided to sell (dump) into the market, any perceived/actual shortage(s) would go disappear almost immediately. The drop would further fuel others selling into weakness, and the bottom would fall out of the market.
Now, let's deal with your hypocrisy: since you are so noble about what OTHERS should do with THEIR property -
YOU want Sellers to Sell at a 'Fair Price" (i.e., the price at which a seller bought his inventory) to those that didn't bother to stock up when prices were cheap?
Pretty noble of you - yet what you would impose on others to do (i.e., sell at their particular purchase prices), when you yourself show absolutely ZERO willingness to "sell your inventory" at your cost basis. Wtf? Why not?!
Shouldn't you sell at your COST so that others can afford to buy at a "Fair Price"?
Didn't think so - typical "East Coast, West Coast" mentality: tell others what YOU "think" that THEY should do with their OWN PROPERTY, yet where you yourself show ZERO WILLINGNESS/INTEREST in practicing what you preach.
Btw, I'll echo what others have said: please sell me at whatever ACTUAL price(s) you purchased, and I'll buy up ALL of your inventory (aka, your stockpile). You really don't "NEED" all of your stockpile, after all. Especially in California. I'll even pay $1.00 over your TOTAL cost (to give you what I "feel" is a "fair" profit), and I'll cover actual shipping cost to take your stockpile buildup off of your hands.
Or is it that what's good for the goose turns out not to be so great for the gander? Kinda thought so.
David from Dallas.
Ps: if you own a house, I will take it off of your hands, so long as you let me but it for the LESSER of "Current Actual Market Price" or your actual cost paid, whichever is LESS. Even if you happen to live in a state with a population that is too stupid to think for itself, I'll suck it up and invest in buying at YOUR COST. Same goes for any investments you might have in the stock market. I'll agree to buy it for the LESSER of the price you actually paid, OR, the current "market price."
Thanks for listening to me, Mr. HYPOCRITE. You can now go back to sticking your head in the sand and continue with your boycott." It would be hilarious if you didn't really believe your own B.S. The sad part is that you probably really do believe the crap you are spewing, and you think that your "boycott" has ANY effect whatsoever. You have no clue that these gougers are bringing goods to the market where NOBODY ELSE is willing to sell for less.
Pps: stay in California - I think that you and Calif., truly belong to each other. Congrats.
What I want to know is where in the world you start ASSUMING I want the government to step in and start moderating prices? That's the last thing I am interested in.
I'm also more than well versed on supply and demand, and fair market value. There will always be people who could care less and will sell to make a buck. Others have honor and realize this is completely out of control. I am the latter.
As I stated below:
"I never said I had SURPLUS magazines. I have the same number I've had for years, which is what I consider adequate. Why would I sell you a magazine and short myself one so you can have MORE than you need (since you said you had enough) ?
What you don't seem to realize is this is a retailer. They buy items to sell them. This isn't some guys personal stash of magazines that he's now suddenly selling."
I don't want to sell MY magazines because I don't have a surplus, and asking me to sell my magazines at MY cost or even a $1 more is ridiculous. Even if they were selling for $100, or $200, I wouldn't sell them, because that is what I want to do. If I had a bunch of extra magazines and my friend just bought an AR and needed a few, yes I would sell them to him at my cost or a dollar or two more because this panic is dumb (inserting disclaimer that they would have to be out of state, as selling complete >10 round magazines in CA is illegal). Note, I said MY FRIEND, because I can choose who I want to sell to.
This is a retailer, in BUSINESS to purchase items to sell, and the mark up is their profit. If I were a business owner I would not be charging $40-50 per magazine, I would be charging what they cost to me plus a standard mark up. If supply was so great, I would start rationing my supply, instead of skyrocketing my prices to limit my buyers. I am NOT a business owner though, and therefore I can do whatever I choose to do with my personal supply. As can anyone else.
In America I have the RIGHT to choose what store I want to do business with, and I have the right to express when I feel something is overpriced. When I told them that I felt they were overcharging (at $30/magazine and $400 per STRIPPED AR lower), they said "F you, we'll charge what we want" and that was when I stopped doing business with them after being a customer for more than 5 years and purchasing 4 guns through them.
There are PLENTY of sellers and distributors who are selling mags, lowers, and all other AR parts which have skyrocketed in price AT NORMAL PRICES (or within a reasonable level). They may be on backorder and they may have a rationing system, limiting to a specific number per person, but THOSE are the companies who I'm willing to do business with.
You can tell me that my "boycott" is ridiculous just as much as I can tell you or anyone else who is selling mags at 4x MSRP that they are ridiculous. That's our first amendment right. :)
And on a final note. Nobody here has any idea what I do for work or pleasure, and why I have any NEED for my magazines.
Not supply and demand or free market govt restricts supply artificially. That's called communism. opposite of free market. why don't people understand?
I didn't actually read your message (because it's... long.) but I think I get the gist of it and I think I agree. America is great for so many of reasons - I'm assuming your msg covered the capitalism portion of that greatness..
Another great thing about America is our freedom.. and with that freedom, people are able to express themselves pretty much however they damn well please (within reason).. and so if that guy feels like a company is screwing their customers over by ripping them off as soon as they get the opprotunity, his BIRTHRIGHT as an American is the ability to piss, moan and boycott that business all he wants :)
And just to be clear.. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with anybody's opinions all I'm saying is..
America is awesome.
And I think that's something we can all agree on.
I'm not. Just commenting on the post below asking to sell mine at MSRP.
I'm not a panic buyer, I can show you picture proof that I have more than enough. But until one of you whiners is willing to sell me your personal magazines at original msrp, then you have no leg to stand on. You sound like you have everything well in order so why not?
I never said I had SURPLUS magazines. I have the same number I've had for years, which is what I consider adequate. Why would I sell you a magazine and short myself one so you can have MORE than you need (since you said you had enough) ?
What you don't seem to realize is this is a retailer. They buy items to sell them. This isn't some guys personal stash of magazines that he's now suddenly selling.
I was talking with my FFL dealer and he made an excellent point. All the smaller dealers are having such trouble getting anything in stock that they can't move any inventory, which means they can't make any money. This is his side business so it doesn't kill him but for other guys that this is their primary source of income they might be forced to increase prices so they can live.
Honestly, if you aren't doing enough business, you need to find more stock of other items or close the store for a day or two. Or only keep one or two employees working on slower days. No, I don't want to see people getting "laid off" because of something like this. But this is a free market, and this stuff happens.... Doesn't mean it's right and people can't have morals.
I buy them at academy for 17.99 with dust covers daily
This makes far too much sense to be true. boycott the price gougers! hahaha
Not everyone is in this to make money... Move to a state where humans and not obomazobies exist
Herp derp insert comment here about "price gouging" and how we're all going to boycott all of these stores in the future lol. Quit whining and sell me some of the pmags you DO have in your personal collection for original price, or you are no better.
You actually believe that half of them have all these mags in there safe? I just figured half of them are listening to the few every day say people are gouging and jumped on the train.
No one here is a retailer, so why would they sell them to you?? Ask the retailer here selling them for $44 to sell them to you for $11-$12 that they actually retail for.
Because they are the ones complaining about the price, but if you are unwilling to sell your own personal stock for that price, then you are agreeing that the mags are worth more than what you paid. How much are you willing to sell me one of yours for?
Why would I be selling mine to anyone? I bought what I need, not I what I want to cash out to make a fast buck. I'm not in the firearm business, I make my money in a different business that can't ram it in your ass on pricing any time they fell like it to make huge profits.
But do you "REALLY" "NEED" all of your Firearms related property?
I mean, there are members of "Society" that need your mags more than you do. Why aren't you "willing to share" with those less fortunate than you, those of us that didn't plan ahead as well as you did?
You're really not playing fair.
David
Ps: offer stands, I'll buy your entire stockpile that you don't really need anyway, and I'll pay you EXACTLY the same amount you paid, so that you will not be out any money. Kind generous of me, if you think about it.
Please email me and I'll tell you where to ship MY newly acquired items from you. I'll pay your ACTUAL COST + shipping, PLUS a dollar, so that I am not taking advantage of you. COD, of course. Not that I don't trust ya, but I guess that beggars can be choosers.
Thanks for selling to me and agreeing not to gouge me.
Later,
d.
Tell me what members of "society" *NEED* them more than him, or me? The *ONLY* ones who I would justify *NEED* them now are active duty military and Law Enforcement.
Regardless though, if someone didn't prepare, they obviously didn't find a "need" for one two months ago, so I could care less if they can't get their hands on anything right now.
You need to learn the difference between a retailer and a private party. Between someone who makes a living off buying and selling, and a private person who has items they want to sell.
You aren't making a fast buck, you would sell some to me at normal retail price, because you're not a price gouger, right? Until you're willing to do it, stop whining about what others sell theirs for.
Lol you chose a shit state to live in
^^^^this. Quit whining. They probably have little to sell and have to charge more to make a living. And if not, it's still free market capitalism, supply and demand at work.
Local range had some last weekend and sold for 30-35 each with/without windows. Nobody complained, they were happy to be able to buy 2 per person. They also have ammo at normal (for a gun range) prices for calibers that are out of stock most everywhere, but you can only buy if you are shooting that day. At that time pmags were still around 70-80 on gunbroker, they could have easily sold them on there like many people and I'm sure businesses have.
We really gotta band together and avoid ever doing business with a company that would do this to its customers.
This is more expensive than an original Colt GI metal mag....
All this whining is crazy. Supply and demand drive price period. This is not like gas for your car you don’t have to have it to survive and no one is holding a gun to your heads. I don’t like the prices either but if I feel I am getting ripped off I just don’t go back. I bet all you people whining won’t sell your pmags for what you paid for them 3 months ago.