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We are pleased to announce that we are now nearing the end of our .308 80% lower pre-order sale. Our lowers are currently in production. The first shipments are expected to go out in mid January, and orders placed now will ship out in the 2nd round of shipments later in January. The retail price on our .308 lowers will be approximately $150. Once this item is in in stock, the price will increase to the regular retail price. Now is the time to catch a great deal on it.

Our .308 Easy Jig™ can now be pre-ordered here: http://www.80percentarms.com/products/308-easy-jig...

Details:

* Available in raw aluminum finish or type III hard anodized Black. You have a choice between either 7075-T6 or 6061-T6. Click the drop down menu directly above the price and "add to cart" button to choose an option.
* Compatible with both DMPS and SR-25 Magazines.
* 5 axis CNC machined from billet to extremely tight tolerances
* Integral trigger guard
* Semi / Safe selector marking engraved on both sides
* Ultra-strong reinforced billet design
* Broached Magwell

Operations left to complete are as follows: fire control group, trigger pin, hammer pin, trigger slot and safety selector. This item does not require an FFL.

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These guys rock ! I just got my first pre order of .308.

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Really?!! I called and the lady responded back says they have not shipped a single order at all?

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We have not shipped any .308 lowers yet. Possibly the poster above ordered an AR-15 lower and a .308 lower and got a shipping notification? For anyone who ordered AR-15 and .308 lowers on the same order, we just shipped the AR-15 portion of the order for now and the .308 portion will follow. We're running a little behind on the .308 pre-orders, but we are literally working around the clock to catch up. They will ship in chronological order, so rest assured if you ordered early on you are at the front of the line.

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What is the ship time on .308?

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is the buttstock going to be threaded? the pictures show no threads for the buffer tube

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Hey anybody want to go half on a .308 Jig ?? I hate to spend that much extra just for one lower. Someone should start a rental program !!

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No thanks rather buy a papered one and not get crap from cops that dont know the rules. If you got nothing to hide why buy. Just go to a gun show and buy from a private person. And it will be cheaper.

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In many states, like our home state of CA, it's illegal to buy a lower without going through an FFL. All lowers are registered in this state, but 80% lowers are exempt. That's a pretty good reason to go the 80% route.

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I think you missed johnjagz28's point.

He's saying if you're not a felon, just buy a 100% lower and save the hassle, plus buying a jig.

How much money is saved buying 80% and a jig vs. a 100% lower??

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Any updates as to the 80% 308? Are they ready to go? In production? delayed?

Regards

-AL

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They are in production right now. They might deliver by the very end of Dec, but it's leaning more toward early Jan delivery.

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Hello Marcus,

We ship out nearly all of our orders within 24 hours, unless you were given advanced notice that the item you ordered was out of stock. I've tried to look up your order under the name Marcus, but no record of a recent order under that name exists, so I'm not exactly sure what happened in your situation. We pride ourselves in producing the best lowers on the market with a flawless finish. Even though we carefully bubble wrap each lower, it's possible that your lower could have been scratched by the jig in shipping, due to the fact the jig is a fairly weighty chunk of metal. If the package is handled very roughly, this can happen on rare occasions.

In any case, we're not seeing any record that you have contacted us to address this problem. Had you done so, we would immediately replace your lower. For the rare times when something goes wrong, we have never had a customer contact us who walked away unhappy. Not one. Out of thousands upon thousands of customers, that's a pretty outstanding record. Most of our business is from repeat customers, and there's a good reason for that.

Before taking your complaint to the internet, please consider contacting us, and you will find that we go to great lengths to ensure that every customer has an excellent experience.

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The whole point of making your own 80 percent lower is to be anonymous, so imagine that I would't post with my real name in here. You'll find me if you looked up my initials mb and new york state.
I got an update though: I've finished the project and to be honest with you I got over the scratch. My fully finished lower is operational. I over drilled around the area of the trigger slot,I also put some more scratches of my own on it by but it works like a charm.
I can't wait for the .308 lower and the two easy jigs. I may also order another 80% lower in the near future.

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I ordered a jig and 80% lower and had to wait 1 month to get a scratched receiver . I'm also in the wait for a 308 lower and 2 easy jigs . God knows when I'm going to get these.

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Got some AR-15 lowers from you guys last month and love them. Crazy fast shipping! Just pre-ordered a couple of these. Can't wait to get it. Hope the machining looks as good as ur AR lowers!

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This is not a crowd funding website. Moderators need to put a stop to this. You guys were supposed to have started manufacturing and shipping some time ago.

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I know 80% does not need my representation, but why don't you go bug someone else. It is obvious you are thick headed and can not understand what they are saying. Please stop.

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This is not a crowd funded project. This is not a new company. This is a pre-order sale. Pre-order price is about 40% off regular MSRP. If you would like to wait to place an order when this item is in stock and pay 40% more at that point, by all means feel free to do so. If you order now and are willing to wait a month for it to ship, you will benefit from a significant discount. This is a site for sales and deals, and 40% off is definitely a deal.

Furthermore, this project is moving along perfectly on schedule. The estimated ship date is late Dec to early Jan. This date has not changed. You must be getting this mixed up with another company.

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If it is not crowd funded why are you selling something you have not yet produced, for 40% less than you will sell it at, some day in the future, once you have actually produced it????? Why would you not just sell it once it is produced and earn 40% more??? Did you start production yesterday as your description states you would?

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You seem to be confusing the difference between pre ordering something and crowd funding. Pre order sales are common, they happen all the time. Every time Apple releases a new iPhone you can pre-order it sometimes more than a month in advance before its' ready to ship. Crowd funding is entirely different. Typically with crowd funding, a company that does not currently exist will seek to raise funds to create a new company, buy equipment, design their product, etc. Almost every crowd funding campaign for lowers on Rocket Hub was a scam and nobody got the products they ordered to date, unfortunately. Those campaigns were seeking funds to create an entire company and design new lowers from scratch. Most of them seem to be intentional scams because the prices they were advertising were well below the actual cost of production for the parts they were promising. Either that, or they had no idea what they were doing and grossly miscalculated the manufacturing cost of the parts they promised to deliver.

Anyways, we are not a new company, and we are not seeking funds to design a new lower. This is a pre-order sale, which is a very different concept.

Lastly, yes this has entered production. If you are local feel free to stop buy our facility some time and check out our products.

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Be very careful about RTH, I paid for one and when they ( another company) started crowd funding the second phase before even producing any product from phase one. I explained to them on their FB that I was hesitant on funding phase 2 without product in my hand so I can verify quality and finish. They deleted my question ( btw the owners response was acceptable and I even agreed and liked his response) then I received a nasty e-mails saying I was vulgar and to only ask questions like that via e-mail and to only put up nice things about them. RED Flag! I don't know of anyone who will fund another without seeing their first funded product first, even a picture on their FB or website would have been nice, but nope being told to " trust them" is not good business practice. Again this is not 80 percent arms or Ares Armor I'm talking about, it's about another crowd funding company I'm speaking of. In my many years of being a small business owner if I ever wrote such an e-mail to my customers I would lose their business and expect to lose more customers in the future.

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Not sure who RTH is, but it's safe to say that caution should be exercised with all crowed funding campaigns, especially on Rocket Hub. Those companies (actually most aren't even set up as companies at that stage) legally have zero obligation to deliver anything they promised. It's in the agreement you have to consent to before paying on Rockethub. If you don't get what they promised, this is no recourse whatsoever. On other hand, if we, or any other legitimate company don't deliver what you order, customers have every right to charge back the purchase to their credit cards, smear our name all over the internet, and even sue us. That will never happen though because we value our reputation and place the highest priority on delivering superb customers service to each and every customer.

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Sorry typo on my part Rocket Hub..

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Anybody know if this piece will work with a DPMS 308LR upper?

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Yes, it is DPMS pattern and it will work with that upper.

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due to the curved mating with the upper receiver, opposed to angled, you can see this lower is being designed as a DPMS style rather than armalite style.

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Just placed an order for one. Thanks.

I just bought a DPMS LAR and I am looking for a custom engraved lower, I think this could fit.

I hope you guys come through.

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80% arms; please make sure to use a set screw for the bolt catch rather than roll pin! Also it feels like most people prefer pictograms for safe/fire.. I know I do. If it doesn't complicate fixturing, perhaps a little detail on the front side of the magwell (think SI-D, except maybe a little less).

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We've always thought the majority of people prefer semi/safe instead of pictograms. Your comment got us thinking. We put it up for a poll on Calguns.net. Seems to be leaning toward pictogram right now. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=845496...

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I find it strange when people complain about the price of a 80% lower.

Anyone that has any idea how these things are made, especially when in a 5 axis CNC, would understand that the unfinished portions of the part are so minor that it doesn't change the manufacturing costs. If they simply left the part in the 5 axis for another 60 seconds, the part would be 100%.

So it makes perfect sense for there to be no discount on the 80% from a 100%.

I think that some people look at a 80% and think that it's supposed to be a way for them to save money by finishing work themselves. No. That is not was a 80% is for. The unfinished work that may or may not be a lot of time for the customer, depending on their skills and equipment, is only seconds of work for the manufacturer. It's insignificant to the manufacturer.

80%s are for people who do not want the government to know about the rifle they are building, for whatever reason they have. Alternatively, it can also be for someone who just likes being more involved in their project but doesn't have the equipment to perform that first 80% of machining.

I have never personally purchased an 80%. At this price it is tempting, but I don't buy things that aren't ready to ship. If these come low enough when they first release, I'll probably grab a few because I can finish them perfect in my CNC and I already work with an anodizer who can finish them for me.

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Your comment is absolutely spot on. From a manufacturing standpoint, taking a billet lower to around 30% is what takes about 65% of the time. The final "20%" of an 80 percent lower really takes us about 5% of the total cycle time. So I guess people would be right to expect a 5% discount between an 80% and 100% lower ;) We should probably make nice FAQ on this one of these days...

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I think the main saving is not the manufacturing cost, but saving from the cost of government bureaucracy. In California, the DROS/4473 can go upwards to $100 or even $125, and what is worse, sales tax that taxing the DROS at 8.5%. I don't know about most people but I personally don't mind paying the sales tax, but why tax the DROS too? and for what.

By purchasing the 80% receiver, we just pay the sales tax to the item purchased, and the manufacturer don't have to pay the federal excise tax because they are not selling "gun" but unfinished parts.

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The whole 80% lower business model is a scam. According to the other manufacturers who make & sell FINISHED lowers for $75-120. For the most part the only people who are going to pay this much for a lower (regular price for an AR15 80% lower is between $130-200 + $80+ for the price of a jig!!!) are those who can't pass a background check, then a smaller percentage of people who either want a project or those don't want the government to have a record of them owning a firearm because they don't trust them.

The high prices are most likely due to economies of scale, as for some reason major manufacturers don't think it's worth their time or possibly not wanting to operate in a perceived gray area. If this isn't the case why aren't they cheaper? And why don't manufacturers sell both finished & 80% lowers?

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This is an AR10 lower....not too many folks are out there making 80% 308 lowers.

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Hey guys, I am going to start manufacturing 80% lowers, too. You can send me $80 and we might start production in 30 days, or it could be 3-4 months. Maybe longer, who knows. I've never produced a single lower in my life, but I promise these will be great. We have AWESOME computer generated images of lowers we intend to produce, and even some pictures of other company's lowers which will give you an idea of what our lower might look like. Disregard the fact that previous ads I posted said we would be entering production around this date. Don't worry about it. We are almost ready this time, it's coming. Just think of what a great deal you are getting on an 80% lower, when you get it, some unnamed day in the future.

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We are an FFL 07. We have be in the business of manufacturing high quality 80% lowers for a year now. This isn't a mythical product. Feel free to stop by our facility and visit.

I think you have us mixed up with another company. We have never posted about this product being available at another date.

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your an ffl? why not make firearms instead of paperweights? If you made a 308 ar lower and priced it under 200 bucks they would probably sell like hotcakes. I'm in the market for a lower, not a paperweight.

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We may at some point next year, but our real focus is 80% lowers. We will be releasing a game changing product in about a month that will make finishing the lower a 1 minute process. It will be hugely popular.

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Could you please elaborate what that consists of and if I'd be able to finish one of these .308 lowers with the new revolutionary thing

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unless your new product can finish an 80% lower with a dremmel or drill your setting yourself up for failure. Go find an accountant or statistician buy him a six pack and have him run some numbers. the market is saturated with 80% paper wieghts and there is a shortage of affordable 308 ar lowers.

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Actually we are about to release a new jig that will allow you to do just that. But the 1 minute process that we're working on does not involve a jig. We are working as fast as we can to bring it to market and make the big announcement. There's just a lot legal issues that are being clarified right now.

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I was about to pre order this 80% .308 lower but your comment about releasing a new product which can be made into 100% in one minute made me a little worried. Are you just saying this to make people pre order the .308. I mean, how is the ATF going to approve this ? Unless you have milled out the fire control pocket , there is no way your 80% lower can be done in one minute. Would you fill all the holes with plastic and then take the stuff away with a heat gun. I'm not sure how it can be done.

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It's a process where we do most of the machining of the FCG pocket. We already have an ATF letter approving it. The problem is another branch of the ATF is now contradicting their own letter because they don't like the implications. We were originally hoping to have this process launched this week but the ATF's recent statements have delayed it.. Our legal team is currently in talks with them and hopefully the result is positive.

We do not suggest that people pre-order the lower based on this process alone because the process really comes down to what mood the ATF is in today. Things were looking very optimistic a couple weeks ago, but if the ATF makes things difficult we may need to go through the court system which is a lengthy process we hope to avoid.

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God Bless you ! I commend you for standing up to the bureaucracy.
I pre-ordered the .308 lower a jig and a regular lower. My question is if I can use the jig for the .308 as well

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Thank you! Unfortunately it is not possible to use a .308 lower with our AR-15 jig or vice versa. The lowers are too different to make one common jig that can accommodate both types of lowers.

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If you want to sell a lower at 80 bucks, make the damn lower and have something ready to ship when you are selling it.

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Its another company your thinking about, but these guys are jokes too even though they are real unlike the other crowd fund scams.

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