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Scroll down to where I schooled you on shipping and all that.

I asked you a specific question...what did I say that was not true?

I am willing to give 10 to 1 odds that he won't give a straight answer. Any takers? Oh, he may dance around and spew diatribe but he will not ACCURATELY quote a single statement I said..and claim it is not true because he knows we are not in a vacuum and to do so will only make him look that much more foolish.

Here is what you said.
"As far as the shipping disclaimer....right from my invoice:
1 Gun (Uninsured - (Bud's not responsible for items lost/damaged in shipping)):
It's not valid because they are responsible to get the gun to me in one piece...if they don't then I am not responsible for paying for it. They are simply trying to get the buyer to pay an additional cost to offset their "free shipping".
No, THEY are using the shipping service to deliver a product THEY sold me. If the gun is lost or damaged in shipment I am not responsible for it...it's not my gun until I accept delivery of it from my FFL dealer. So why would I pay for insurance when I have no liability? It's just another attempt by Bud's to nickel and dime their customers."

And I told you..
Actually, while the Shipping company is in possession of your item, the shipping company is responsible for your item. So There's NOTHING wrong with Bud's disclaimer. The fact is that the SHIPPING company offers the insurance and Buds is giving you the option to purchase that insurance from the shipping company. They are offering it to you for your convenience.

"They created a VIP program that allows them to charge a membership fee for the privilege of buying guns from them."

As I said scroll down and you'd see what you said and what i commented on already. Don't try and twist shit. If you have no idea how things work, you shouldn't comment on them.

OK, so you're ripping on ppl who don't particularly like the way Bud's managed this deal because they shouldn't be able to criticize Bud's when they didn't even buy the gun and don't have a dog in the fight...

Meanwhile, it's OK for you to defend Bud's business practices and this deal even though you didn't buy the rifle, nor do you even want it...Meaning you don't have a dog in the fight either.

Makes perfect sense...

OH and if you were paying attention, I didn't start ripping on you until YOU started ripping on someone else who actually did order the gun. At least with me and you it was a level playing field. Your comment against ibnhall though is another story.

Well I never said anyone should not criticize Buds. I said people shouldn't try and make up shit and mislead others. It's an opinion that Buds changed it to VIP to "cheat" people. Reality is, you don't know why they did it. You are just upset that you missed out on the deal.
I ripped on others for the same fucking reason. I agree with people. Buds could have handled it better. I don't agree that Buds should "make it right" by giving free stuff away. The people complaining haven't even received their order and were notified about the mistake. Yes I think Buds should have apologized about it. But why should they give you free stuff over that mistake? People think, "it's only $10. They should just give me a mag!" Well multiply that $10 by however many orders there are and now you know why they didn't. Common sense. More people need it.

And let's see here, who is more of an ass here. Person A, who makes up stuff about a business and a deal that didn't even have anything to do with that deal. Person B, who doesn't have anything to do with the deal or business, but is calling BS on person A for making up shit.

Your problem is you are the one making shit up. Such as..."It's an opinion that Buds changed it to VIP to "cheat" people."

Show me anyone that said that because I can't find it. You have been putting words in people mouths they did not state and then argue with them as though they did.

Wanting free stuff? What part of I paid for the mag do you not understand? It was in the description and it is listed on my invoice. How is asking for compensation for what one paid for but did not receive equate to wanting free stuff?

But as I stated and you repeatedly ignored it's not about the mag it's about the way they went about dealing with it. There was no apology in my email I received or even an admission of any mistake...just an offer to sell me a mag.

Of course if you had actually bought the gun and actually received the email then maybe you would actually know what you were talking about.

You are asking the wrong question...who is more of an ass...A) a person that bought the gun, received an email and commentated on it...or B) a person that didn't by the gun and didn't receive the email...yet blasts those that are not happy with the way Bud's handled the situation.

Here I am quoting your bitch ass again. " apologized and offered me a $15 off coupon on my next gun purchase. " $15 off coupon is free shit is it not? Can get a mag with that can't ya?

"They created a VIP program that allows them to charge a membership fee for the privilege of buying guns from them."

So by what you are saying then, that's not considered them trying to cheat people?

"Now I'm ready to buy & find out there's no mag (ok...most of us have extras anyway). I also HAVE to join "Team Bud's" for $29.95 for the "privilege" of buying this rifle (apparently this just got bumped by $5 since it shows $24.95 on the deal info page). This was a dick move by Bud's and it forced me to reconsider my purchase." Said by shootfirst.

So that's not considered Buds trying to cheat people? Sure neither of you said "cheat people", it's fucking implied by how you say it. So get off your high horse, grow a set, and put your fucking big boy pants on.

I'm blasting you for being a whiny ass cry baby. "They didn't apologize to me or even admit it was a mistake." Hell why even bother to let you know about it then huh? Hell according to you, you have been dissatisfied with Buds for a while now, why'd you even bother ordering from them this time?

"BTW I have bought several guns from Bud's over the last couple years but more recently I have since made most of my gun purchases elsewhere as Bud's is no longer the best place online to buy guns. Most of their prices are now typically average at best, they charge a CC surcharge, they make a shipping disclaimer that is not valid, and try to get you to pay for insurance that is not your responsibility. They created a VIP program that allows them to charge a membership fee for the privilege of buying guns from them."

The shipping insurance is an OPTION you can get. Once the item has left on the carrier's truck, IT'S THE CARRIER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

Wait a minute...I got this! Let's see, Person A or Person B? I'm pretty sure, no I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that in this case Person B is the bigger ass...In fact, it's not even close.

LOL...We all noticed how stupid that remark of his was...although I am sure he thought it was yet another intelligent point.

By DOMINATOR ARMS, 121 months ago

Urged and MonarchPvd how much vaseline do you guys use?

Troll Hunter Powers Activate!

FORM OF: BASEMENT TROLL!

Don't use any, your momma likes it rough.

Saved me $599!

Do I need another AR? No. Was I about to buy one of these for $599? Yep. Started moving some $$$ around to make the cash purchase (and avoid the 3% surcharge).

Now I'm ready to buy & find out there's no mag (ok...most of us have extras anyway). I also HAVE to join "Team Bud's" for $29.95 for the "privilege" of buying this rifle (apparently this just got bumped by $5 since it shows $24.95 on the deal info page). This was a dick move by Bud's and it forced me to reconsider my purchase.

Of course it's still a great deal at $599 + $29.95, but someone else can have mine. I refuse to be coerced into joining something I don't want to join just to make a purchase of something I don't need. Now a .44 Mag is something I don't have and would certainly enjoy.

Thanks Bud's for saving me $599 for a .44...

By Rangerscott, 121 months ago

It wasnt VIP the first 2-3 days. Waiting on my shipped email.

I know it wasn't Team Bud's the 1st couple of days...That was kind of my point. And it's not like I can't pony up the extra $30 and get my own right now...I just choose not to.

Hope you enjoy yours! Seems like a decent deal ($170 less than an unblemished one, or $140 less for anyone forced into Team Bud's).

Will be interesting to see how many praising Bud's right now will be on here cursing their name in the next few months...haha

Buds made a mistake and they tried to make it right to those who did order already. Why are you upset about that? You guys act like everything is a freaking conspiracy theory to get you.
And those complaining about it going to a Team Buds offer now, sucks to be you. You should have ordered it when they first offered it. They have NO obligation to wait for you to order at a good price. If they want to pass on the saving to customers who are loyal to them, that's their prerogative.

By sasquatch, 121 months ago

I ordered the gun when it first came up and got in on the good price. I'm not a buds member, and doubt I would be. I'm not a SG member either because I didn't think it worhtwhile. I'm sorry the rest of you didn't get in on the deal, but that's the way things work- try buying something from Amazon- they automatically raise the price when something sells hot. That's supply and demand. It's a good deal regardless.

I've never had a bad deal with Buds- and I got an email that says if I buy something and the price goes *down*, they'll cover the difference.

Regarding credit card fees- that's cool with me. On a $600 gun it came to $18. Big whoop. My CC pays me back 1.5% anyway. Certainly worth the protection a credit card gives me (being able to dispute a charge).

And they have entertaining videos, etc.

I am disappointed about the no-magazine. But, in their explanation, they say that's how they get the gun from the factory- why open the box to stick in a magazine. It was a typo as far as I'm concerned, so I'll give 'em a pass on this one.

Mistakes I can understand, you own up to it and try to make it right. My email didn't make any reference to it being their mistake, let alone include an apology. Actually they made it sound like they were trying to preempt an erroneous misunderstanding on my part...like they were hoping I wouldn't realize their mistake.

Contrary to your claim...they did absolutely nothing to try and make it right by me. A better way to have handled it would have been to admit they made a mistake, apologized and offered me a $15 off coupon on my next gun purchase. But they instead lost my business.

BTW I have bought several guns from Bud's over the last couple years but more recently I have since made most of my gun purchases elsewhere as Bud's is no longer the best place online to buy guns. Most of their prices are now typically average at best, they charge a CC surcharge, they make a shipping disclaimer that is not valid, and try to get you to pay for insurance that is not your responsibility. They created a VIP program that allows them to charge a membership fee for the privilege of buying guns from them.

They are all about the money and their way of dealing with their mistake is to shrug their shoulders and offer to sell me a mag. Bad business ethics is simply that. One thing you are right about...how they run their business is their prerogative...and me choosing never to do business with them again is my prerogative.

Hmmm they emailed you notifying you that no mag comes with the gun. A $10 part that doesn't affect the function of the gun at all. On a deal that is saving you a few hundred dollars. Would them not telling you been better?

CC surcharge is to offset the charge they receive from the CC billing company. They should pay fees for your convience huh? What shipping disclaimer that isn't valid? Insurance is an option, that you can choose to get from a shipping company or not. YOU are using the shipping service to get YOUR product. They are paying the shipping for you already but they should pay for everything for you. Maybe you should go read up on what their VIP program, you'll see it's a bit more than "the privilege of buying guns from them."

Name a business that isn't all about the money. The way they handled it wasn't to your satisfaction. I get that. Justify why you deserve something for free over it? On a deal that is literally saving you $100+, you cry over $10.

Those credit card fees are what the vendor pays for the privilege of accepting credit cards as payment for their goods and ethically they are not supposed to be passed on to the buyer in the way of a surcharge.

As far as the shipping disclaimer....right from my invoice:

1 Gun (Uninsured - (Bud's not responsible for items lost/damaged in shipping)):

It's not valid because they are responsible to get the gun to me in one piece...if they don't then I am not responsible for paying for it. They are simply trying to get the buyer to pay an additional cost to offset their "free shipping".

No, THEY are using the shipping service to deliver a product THEY sold me. If the gun is lost or damaged in shipment I am not responsible for it...it's not my gun until I accept delivery of it from my FFL dealer. So why would I pay for insurance when I have no liability? It's just another attempt by Bud's to nickel and dime their customers.

If you bought a computer system online from my company and both the description and invoice stated it came with a monitor and keyboard...and then after you paid for it and it was shipped...you got an email stating "We wanted to make sure you were aware that this special offer does NOT ship with a keyboard" along with an offer to sell you one...I suppose that would be ok because after all it isn't that expensive and doesn't effect the function of the computer...right? And if you made mention that you felt it was unprofessional of the company to do, would that be considered crying?

Now be a good Bud's employee and get back to work and quit being a hypocrite.

Right about vendor pays for the privilege of accepting credit cards. But what you fail to realize is, those companies who aren't charging you a CC free for use of the CC, already has it calculated in. So regardless which method you are paying, you are paying the price with the CC fee. So shame on Buds for not feeling they should pay for your conveniences and actually giving you an option to pay less.

Actually, while the Shipping company is in possession of your item, the shipping company is responsible for your item. So There's NOTHING wrong with Bud's disclaimer. The fact is that the SHIPPING company offers the insurance and Buds is giving you the option to purchase that insurance from the shipping company. They are offering it to you for your convenience.

Well taking a look at how you seem to think things work in business, I wouldn't buy from you to begin with. And to be quit honest, I probably have a keyboard laying around, I'd just use that if the deal was pretty darn good. And yeah it is CRYING when you sit there and make up shit about disclaimers , CC fees, VIP programs and shipping insurance and not even know how any of that really works.

I don't work for Buds therefore not a hypocrite. Nice try though.

You do know that much of what Bud's sells is dropped shipped and Bud's has no direct involvement in the shipping at all?

My business has a shipping and receiving department and I have been in business since 1986. So I think I have a little bit of experience in this area.

You on the other hand keep making inaccurate statements as though you know what you are talking about. Let me straighten you out on some of your incorrect assumptions.

"The fact is that the SHIPPING company offers the insurance and Buds is giving you the option to purchase that insurance from the shipping company. They are offering it to you for your convenience."

That is not how it works...only the entity shipping the product can buy the insurance and make a claim. If you pay the shipping insurance to Bud's and the carrier loses the package do you think the carrier is going to pay you the compensation? Hell you can't even make a claim. Don't believe me call up Bud's and ask them if you pay insurance will the carrier reimburse you directly in the event they lose the package.

Bottom line is...Bud's is trying to get you to subsidize their shipping cost much the same way they subsidize their CC fees.

If we both buy a gun from Bud's and you pay the insurance and I don't and the carrier loses both our guns, we will both have replacement guns shipped at no additional cost...only difference is they clipped you for the cost of the insurance.

So the question is why do they make the disclaimer to imply differently, unless it is to coerce you into buying insurance you don't need.

"You do know that much of what Bud's sells is dropped shipped and Bud's has no direct involvement in the shipping at all?

Do you know how much that does not matter to what this is about? It is being shipped from one location to your location.

And you are wrong. ALL carriers even USPS offers shipping insurance. SINCE BUDS, is paying for your shipping but NOT the insurance, they are offering YOU the option to get the insurance. IF the item is lost or damaged, either way the carrier company is liable for said item. AND as long as your name is on the shipping label, you have EVERY right to file a claim. Both Shipper and Receiver can file a claim on lost or damaged packages.

What you don't seem to understand is, if you bought the insurance, Buds then also has to purchase it when they make the request for shipment. The insurance price is determined by Declared Value of the item being shipped. Go to UPS and look it up.

So much for all your "business" experience. I've worked shipping for a major online company for a few years. Learned the ins and outs of shipping with UPS, USPS, and Fed Ex. Again nice try with your made up shit. Try fact next time kay?

How did they "make it right"? They changed their website to indicate no magazine right before they sent out an email saying we are not sending you a magazine. The description even said "30RD" in title even AFTER they updated their website.. Then this morning, they took, that off. I have screen captures of the 30RD so I know it was there.

You are right.. Not a huge deal.. But seems to me it would cost them less to just send a mag than to email and call everyone that complains.
Just gives me a bad taste in my mouth when I already had bad feelings about Bud's from the gouging last year.

Not sure if you don't realize this but, changing the site to state no mag comes with is is so no one ELSE orders and thinks a mag comes with it. They weren't trying to cheat you or anything. I mean who cheats someone then emails them and says there's no mag on a deal that is saving you $300+.

http://grabagun.com/ada-base-rifle-mid-16-5-56.html...

It's not a $300+ savings. You can buy the same gun new and "unblemished" with a mag for a $150 more at grabagun.

Ok $150... wait no make it $140 cuz you have to buy your own mag. Holy freaking deal breakers there batman!

Apparently you have reading with comprehension issues as I stated in a previous post it is not about the mag, it's the way they handled it. I think it is obvious to most that a couple of you are arguing too hard to make excuses for Bud's poor handling of the mag issue. None of you indicated that you even purchased the gun.

Tell the truth...you are part of BUD's troll patrol.

Actually you seem to have comprehension issues. Or identity issues maybe? Multiple personalities? If you looked at what I was saying and who I was saying it to, my points were towards the deal and towards djryan13. Wasn't about you and your points. You interjected with some price fix. I responded. But it suddenly became about you. Ya better watch out. You let too much of your crazy show and your guns will be taken from ya!

^this.

Seriously guys, this deal was sitting here staring you in the face for two days. If you couldn't get off your ass to literally click a fucking mouse button a couple of times, your whining will only be matched by the playing of the worlds tiniest violin.

By mikey3993, 121 months ago

I was gonna buy two of them this morning but now that they are getting greedy I'm no longer going to buy from them. Thanks alot buds

The early bird gets the Piston-driven AR.

By mastersherpa, 121 months ago

I have to say, I got my tracking information last night, and only this morning I get a notification it does not come with a magazine......

... def not a deal breaker but not entirely honest of BUDS as well as now this deal is restricted to TEAMS BUDS members....

They were getting such good publicity on this deal... and now they shot it all to hell by trying to throw in a drum magazine to make more $$$ and require a VIP membership.....

I got my first firearm from BUDS but I gotta say this has left a sour taste in my mouth and I think I am gonna put BUDS right there with Cheaper Than Dirt on my do not buy list...

Good job whoever at BUDS decided to try and bait and switch folks on a deal...

Palmetto State Armory seems to be the only honest game that has stuck to their guns on great deals without screwing their customer base over.

Bud's responded to my note I sent about the "30RD" in the title of the Item on their webpage. They said it was a mistake (which is now corrected on their site). They offered a full refund if I was upset. I am pleased that they offered me that. Honestly, I am debating the refund. I really don't need it. It seems it's a true mistake and certainly not intentional. I just wish they had said that from the beginning instead of trying to hide it.

By DOMINATOR ARMS, 121 months ago

Now you have to become a team buds member to purchase and thats BS!

By DOMINATOR ARMS, 121 months ago

This Is Bs! Another cheaper then dirt organization!

Care to elaborate on this tantrum?

By mikey3993, 121 months ago

It's not sold out they made it to where you have to pay 30 bucks to become a VIP member it's messed up

By Scott_1469, 121 months ago

I got the same email, and to be honest, I was relieved that it wasn't an oversold scenario and they were notifying me of a refund. Too many deals this good have passed me by, so no mag, no prob for me.

Here comes the down side... Any just get the notice saying that there are NO magazines included? Who wrote the description above? Was it copied from Bud's website? I knows it a great deal... but still.. Buds, throw in a $10 mag and stop being the @ssholes you were in 2013...

Got the same notice...not a deal breaker...but because their way of dealing with it is to offer to sell me a mag that I expected to be included as per their published description, I can only imagine how they would handle a real issue. So Bud's, congratulations as you just made my "do not buy from list" right next to CTD. It's not the mag...it's the principal.

Anyone else notice that 100% satisfaction is guaranteed if it arrives and you don't like it, you can refuse it...but during the order process they very clearly state any gun returned for a refund will be subject to a restocking fee.

By hvof2005, 121 months ago

That's definitely shady from BUD. I received the same email. about the magazine. I'm sure the description said included 1 mag last week. Bud just changed it on Monday 05-05-14.... they are being and A-hole because they are trying to sell those drums...

By CatAttack, 121 months ago

Got the same notice, not a big deal, someone just made a mistake when creating the description, they probably just copy/pasted the description of the non-blem which does come with a magazine.

By myadidas1981, 121 months ago

I got the same notice, and I distinctly remember reading that it included one magazine. Not a dealbreaker, but definitely kind of shady.