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Technical Parameters the Gun Lock
1. Dimension: 2.8 x 23 x 1.4in/ 71.2 x 59.5 x 36.5mm(L x W x H)
2. Net Weight: 9.9oz/ 279.5g
3. Charging Socket: Micro USB
4. Fingerprint Sensor: 10*10mm Capacitive
5. Fingerprint Storage & Sensor Capability: Maximum 10 Fingerprint Profiles, 360 degree recognition, Smart learning (2 Administrators, 8 Users)
6. Fingerprint Reading Speed: within 0.3 seconds
7. FAR(False Acceptance Rate): <1/100000(0.002%)
8. FRR(False Rejection Rate): < 2%
9. Built in battery: 250mAh Polymer lithium battery
10. Fingerprint sensor working current: 20mA
11. Fingerprint sensor stand by current: 2uA
12. ESD(Air discharge protection): IEC61000-4-2, Level X, +8KV
ASIN#: B07QQ332PR
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Fuck this dickhead, he wanted to capitalize on fear mongering to get our attention, then expand to a gaping sphincter when someone challenged his bullshit statistics.
Fuck this retard, he started spewing nonsense in the chat, then expanded to a gaping vag when someone presented him with cite-able statistics challenging his bullshit
FYI, in case you didn't know this dingleberry just openly admitted in another post to wanting to limit your 2nd amendment rights and that gun builders are nerds.
douchfil: "Man. I feel like talking to you about any sort of sensible gun control regulation would be pretty much impossible. You're just a fanatic. "I can spot machining flaws" oh shut up nerd."
Um...aren't you just proving me right?
I'm making sure that gun community knows you, and by proxy your company, don't have their interest in mind.
Your comment fully highlights the issue. You believe the "best interest" of gun owners is the rights and freedom to own a gun, the risk of harm and safety is but a side consideration. The right to own a gun is written in the constitution, and we fully support that right, but it must be a sensible right, like all rights are. All 13 amendments provide basic rights to people, but they are not immune to reasonable restrictions. For example, your freedom of speech does not mean you can go and make up lies about people or their companies, or try to portray them in a bad light due to personal malice.
Your "best interest" from gun owners is to buy your product, and there is no getting around that, especially when you want to delve into gun control. Right now is a time for a full stop on the nonsense that is the subjectivity of "sensible gun laws" because of the bevy of bullshit flowing from politicians under its umbrella. Remember, never let a crisis go to waste.
Any business has an interest in people buying their product, but that doesn't mean my interests are not aligned with sensible gun owners. That's literally the basis of capitalism you nitwit. Take a goddamn economics course or something, educate yourself before spewing idiocy.
The only way for you to come back against my argument is to call "sensible gun laws" bullshit. Wow. You really know your stuff.
It is bullshit, because when people are advocating for cutting the "gun show loophole" after a mass shooting, when the vast majority of shooters got their gun with a background check, it's obvious they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. "Mandatory background checks" aren't about background checks at all, because it's completely unenforceable without a national registry, which is the ultimate goal. They're not going to say that, because it's unpalatable. Mandating that you secure firearms, hmm, I wonder who would benefit from that?
You're just an idiot - https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html...
Gun laws stopped mass shootings in Australia [13 March 2018]
"The odds that a 22-year absence of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 gun reforms are due to chance are one in 200,000, new research reveals."
Have not purchased a Bison product yet that works as advertised. Suggest anyone considering this to save up & make a quality investment: buy once, cry once.
I'm curious what product you bought, since this is the only one we make, and just introduced it to the market.
More fake news.
The vast majority of the 0-19 year old deaths the "study" references are GANG related. That is why they don't use 0-9 year old figures because while tragic, more children in THAT age group die from drowning than all other unnatural causes combined.
NO trigger lock is going to make a difference with gang related deaths.
Please stop using propaganda to try to make a point!
Even the line: "Among children, the majority (89%) of unintentional shooting deaths occur in the home. Most of these deaths occur when children are playing with a loaded gun in their parent’s absence." ? Is this gang related too? lmao
According to the CDC there were 229 firearm related deaths for CHILDREN 0-12, and only 42 of those were considered unintentional. While the overall firearm related deaths rose significantly with the TEEN age group 13-18, unintentional deaths did NOT increase proportionally, with only an additional 47 recorded. Not exactly a major epidemic, and has in fact followed a general decrease since the CDC started recording the statistics in 1990.
Only a dipshit wouldn't find it obvious that unintentional shootings are more likely to occur in the home than somewhere else, that's where the guns are. Your continued fear mongering and disingenuous attempts to mislead with non correlated statistics are why no one should buy anything from you.
It only happens to like a hundred children, so it's not a problem and we shouldn't worry about it. That sounds pretty heartless to me. It's not like you buy insurance because you expect your house to burn down, it's for eventualities that are statistically unlikely. Firearms are still dangerous to children, that's a fact you just proved. And please provide the link to ur sources, i would like to read more. I'm sure that gun safety would have prevented unauthorized use and many resulting deaths from not just accidents, but intentional homicides. Are you just AGAINST gun safety in general??
"It only happens to like a hundred children", what happened to the 2800 you were lamenting on? Won't somebody please think of the children!!! Compared to the general less than adult population and their causes of death it's near statistical insignificance with less than .7%. You can call it heartless, I call it realism; it's not like this product is going to revolutionize guns.
Gun safety is just fine, I'm AGAINST bullshit non sequitur's that people try to call arguments. There wasn't a lock on a single one of my or my friends family's firearms and we all managed not to shoot each other, despite growing up in the high mortality years. What was the commonality? We were all taught about firearms from an early age. Took my first NRA(good ol days) educational course when I was 8, "owned" my first gun at 12, had been lugging around a bb since 5. Rule #1 check the fucking chamber. Teaching children responsibility and respect goes along way. So does noting when your kid might be a dumbass or psycho, which seems to be happening more often these days. Anecdotal? Sure, but nobody wants to look past the tool that was used anymore.
All the information is readily available from the CDC via their search platform wisquars. There is a ton of info, but zilch on unauthorized use, so you can't even provide causality to the 89, let alone anything else.
I guess I'll bring back the facts, from just 15 minutes reading on the internet:
"Now, a study based on data from 2012 to 2014 suggests that, on average, 5,790 children in the United States receive medical treatment in an emergency room each year for a gun-related injury. About 21% of those injuries are unintentional, similar to the third-grader's case."
That's 1,215 UNINTENTIONAL gun accidents involving children
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/19/health/child-gun-violence-study/index.html...
"Most gun accidents among younger children involved the child playing with a gun." - Based on CDC study
https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/cdc-gun-study-kids/2017/06/19/id/796962/...
""Playing with a gun was the most common circumstance for unintentional firearm deaths of both younger and older children," she noted, adding that younger kids often mistook guns for toys. . . . Older children, aged 13 to 17, more often died in the commission of a crime or in violence between peers, while younger children's deaths were usually accidental, the study authors said."
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/06/19/CDC-study-Guns-kill-wound-7000-children-per-year/9691497882459/...
At least 73 juveniles under age 12 were killed last year, roughly the same pace as the previous five years. What happened next varied widely. . . . A 2017 USA TODAY and Associated Press investigation of the 152 deaths from 2014 to 2016 found about half ended in a criminal charge, usually of adults who police said should have watched children more closely or secured their guns more carefully.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/03/19/gun-deaths-shooting-accidents-killed-73-kids-last-year/3032060002/...
It appears you are wrong about the significance of accidental deaths relating to children. Even though less than 100 children die from gun accidents each year, 4 times more are treated for wounds relating to gun accidents, and the media (the people) really do seem to care. So, it doesn't matter whether you consider it "realism" or not. This is a problem, and this gun lock, just like every other gun lock out there, is aimed to help solve this issue. I never said "revolutionize guns." Its a more convenient method to keep your gun safe. You don't have to store it inside a safe, and access is easier that a traditional keylock. Anyways, I just don't think we're gonna get to a consensus if you're okay with about 100 people killing their children by accident every year. So lets just leave it at that.
I see, move the goal post when you've been shown to be full of shit. Go ahead an be a cock sucker when you fail to provide how this lock is superior to what is already out there, is more expensive, and hasn't been thoroughly tested. You've already been trounced to try to provide objective information and then injecting causality where it isn't due. You also failed to provide any actual percentage other than "most" that proved that injuries were caused by "unauthorized use", let alone deaths. Maybe try to focus on actual firearm safety rather than "ermagurd! gurnz hurrt peepl, weez gots to lockem up noww!"
You're full of shit, I provided cdc death cases, you wanted to make new rules and include injuries. Stop being a shill, cause the only thing you've done is caused more press damage on your bullshit than actual productivity. I guarantee, anyone worth their salt that looks up bison fingerprint trigger lock and this will come up. Already proven that the gun crowd has my back, just not fil and wane. I got nothing to lose, you apparently do.
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phil is full of shit
Superiority is obvious enough. Convenience and speed.
Causality is plain to see as well. Accidents don't happen when you have proper gun safety.
You're the one who's resorting to bad spelling to show a point. Get trounced lmao.
Superiority my ass. Your the one shilling chinese crap. Having to charge your gun? Not convenience, hassle. Speed, maybe, but not enough against the cheaper alternatives, and then have to hope that some electric gizmo is charged and is going to work. Not to mention most new guns come with a FREE lock. Have a real hard time believing that the biometrics on some F list company works better than the one from the billion dollar corporation that makes my phone. There is a single company selling a gun safe that passes FBI fingerprint certification and it aint this steaming pile.
You've been making arguments in bad faith since the beginning and moved the goalpost when it suited your needs, take a debate class dipshit. I offered you pure source material so you could make up your own mind, instead your just another sheep that thinks usatoday and cnn is the word of god. The chances of accidental death for children is .00012%, injury is .0018%, those are both extremely low so stop it with the hysteria drama queen. Out of the 393 million guns in the US, apparently .00037% are the problem, and that's being generous. There was a time for you to actually talk about the metrics to try and prove the quality of the product, but given the half truths and bullshit that has long past.
I'm the one making arguments in bad faith? You literally know nothing about this product but you're 1000% sure it's bad because it's "chinese crap." You hold out your racist propaganda like a gleaming badge of honor. Have you no shame?
Next, I provide sources for all the stats I claim, you literally pull numbers out of ur ass. If child accidents weren't a problem, maybe we wouldn't hear about a 3 year old shooting his sister by accident on the news so often.
I'm a sheep? You're simply ignorant. People like you that look down upon liberals simply because they have different opinions are a disgrace to the Constitution of the United States and the country itself.
You're simply not worth my time. This conversation is over.
Chinese is a "race"? I never knew. I do know that they have a tendency to produce crap that is nowhere near quality control among american firearm and parts manufacturers. Hell, even the soviets make better guns than norinco, maybe not the polish arms. That being said the Japanese tend to kick our as at qc, especially when it comes to most vehicles; and several other countries take top bid for certain products. Country of origin is important, and american gun manufacturers take pride in their quality(mostly) and tend to display the badge of honor any time they can. You on the other hand, shill crap with no metrics to back it up; just "trust me", ala chinese crap. Take your racist lumping of all Asians as chinese and shove it up your projecting ass.
The stats you provide show nothing as to how your product is going to improve anything. I already agreed that securing firearms is beneficial. However, you fail to make any argument on how making an already ubiquitous tool electronic and more expensive is going to a)force people to use it at all times b)buy it if they don't already have it, or c)not be breached via the manual override. Really that is the argument I should have pursued from the start, but got caught up in your bullshit non correlated numbers and non sequitur's of various groups because I fucking hate manipulative liars.
You are a sheep, and a dipshit, and as it unfortunately turns out a mindless liberal too. It's leeches like you trying to make a buck off of suffering that is the problem. Education and diligence is the key to preventing accidents, not some knock off POS pimped by some liberal hack trying to make a buck. If you actually gave a shit about your cause you'd be selling these at cost if not giving them away. Good riddance to your shilling ass.
Lmao, this comment really shows your level of education.
Chinese is not a race?! Are you fking joking me?
RACE
[each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
"people of all races, colors, and creeds"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin
"the school has pupils of many different races"
a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.
"we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin More"]
Second, I finally looked up the word shill. Again, are you fking joking me? I'm the manufacturer! Am I not allowed to promote my own products? How can I be "fake endorsing" my OWN products??
"You are a sheep, and a dipshit" Well let me retaliate in kind: You sir, was raised in a whiskey tango trailer park by a bow-legged female whose sole qualification for motherhood is a womb that happened to catch a sperm of a passing truck driver.
"If you actually gave a shit about your cause you'd be selling these at cost if not giving them away." Do you even understand the system of capitalism??
"Education and diligence." Clearly you lack both qualities, and intelligence to realize that unfortunately.
So why would people buy it? 4 words: SPEED SAFETY CONVENIENCE AFFORDABILITY
Instantly unlock you gun. Keep children safe in the home. Can be placed on most gun models without taking up any extra space. AND it's the most affordable biometric, quick access to a secured gun option out there.
So how about, you take your uneducated, non-diligent ass out of here and get a job.
Hey captain dipshit, Asian is a race, china's a country. The chinesium shitty product quality generally boils down to historic crap ass manufacturing practices, especially in terms of no name electronics, has nothing to do with race.
Of which, show me how you're a manufacturer and not just some importer of garbage. I'm sure you hand craft the best biometric circuits around, you've been so forthcoming with fabrication specs. I mean how else could it be the cheapest entry to the market, that always translates to having highest quality standards.
You promote things with information and reliability ratings from 3rd parties, not "trust me, mine is gud, I give you special price". It does follow a capitalist standard for non rooted companies(your garbage) to offer product promotions to people of influence until a brand is established. You know rather than getting your ass handed to you in arguments on the internet, that always boosts sales.
The only potential advantage you have of locks that are given away is speed, and that is being fucking generous. If the batter dies, and you are unprepared for that scenario, you fucked. If you're diligent about key security, which apparently you have to be for this junk, it's not any more safe. "Charging my fucking gun is a convenience" said no one ever. Affordability is not something you can boast when there are programs across the country that provide 100% reliable mechanical locks for FREE, LITERALLY NOTHING BUT ASKING FOR IT.
Keep up the ad hom you cuck ass derperator, it's done so great of generating positive metrics for the shit you're shilling. Also thanks leaving out your "but the children" bullshit you been selling this time around.
I honestly didn't understand the majority of your fanatical ravings in that reply. But just explain to me one thing:
Thornhulk: "Chinese is a "race"? I never knew."
How is Chinese not a race? It is an ethnic group, it's literally in the definition from the Oxford English Dictionary:
[each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
"people of all races, colors, and creeds"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin]
"Asian is a race, china's a country." So, a person who is prejudice against Asian people is racist, but not a person who is prejudice against the people of a country?
WTF IS A DERPERATOR!?!? Just because you're illiterate doesn't mean you can just make up words lmao
You barely understand the English language, and you're trying to argue with me??
Dear dingle berry raceterbator, you can be critical of a country's historic abysmal manufacturing qc, especially on cheap off brand products, and not think that the population is full of terrible or inept people. It's kind of our own fault for accepting a throw away culture, but some of us realize that buying form legitimate manufacturers, especially US based plants, is just a better idea. Subjectivity exists.
Boy, I'm not sure if you know this, but you on the internet, memes happen. Derperator, #derperator; a wannabe operator that specializes in the derps for some cosplay bullshit. That fudd that thinks that a "cheap" biometric lock is the answer, when a FREE solution is already available. A mall ninja that believes that charging your gun is a convenience. The type of moron that touts 12 reviews on amazon is a statement to qc. That asshole that resorts to fear mongering to sell a product. The guy that doesn't always retard, but when they retard, they full retard. Never full retard.
We're actually very confident of our QC. We provide full warranties against any manufacturer defects. So you can take that stereotype and shove it up where the sun don't shine. Cheap off brand? Dumbass, the majority of on-brand items are made in China retard. Where do you think your Iphone came from? Some US factory? You're just a retard, talking to you actually decreases my IQ.
Dude, you're selling your shit on amazon and you're own website, yet not carried by a single major, or minor gun parts distributor and are trying to claim qc superiority. Pound sand. The difference between you and those mega corps that buy parts from china is that they tend to have direct influence over the manufacturing process, major r&d departments, and bother to go through 3rd party quality checks. Regardless, you know what a responsible gun owner should never do? Trust electric chiesium garbage to protect them. FFS you're trying to claim that you have as a reliable sensor and battery life than a trillion dollar company, and even theirs fuck up on the regular. You know when a warranty doesn't matter? When you need your fucking gun and forgot to charge it, the battery life has declined, the sweat on your finger prevents it from reading, or some shit circuit fails. You should ease off the throttle of full retard, you already scraping the bottom of that IQ bucket of yours.
We've already signed distributorship contracts with the 2 largest online gun parts retailers. Our products should be up on their website before the end of the month. As for brick and mortar retailers, we've already processed an order for 160 of them from a large regional distributor on the West Coast, and in talks with some publicly traded companies. So you can cuckold some cock on that point.
That's like saying what if you need your gun and it jams, so you can't trust guns. So fking stupid. What are you going to do, wakeup at night, dip your finger in some water, and then try to unlock the gun? If I had a penny for every idiotic thing you've said I'll be able to fund Elon Musk's mars expedition.
You know what's really sad about this conversation. I'm trying to convince a retard that's hes a retard, but he's too retarded to know he's a retard. So unless you reply with some semblance of logic, I'm going to ignore you and your 6 whole IQ and get back to running a business while you beat your wife in some back country trailer park you call your "house."
Man, it takes a real dedicated window licker to reignite a flame war before attempting an expanded roll out of a product, kudos to you on that. Seriously, that's some real special needs types shit if you think an internet gripe is going to have positive benefit. You could have walked away as you claimed you were going to do, but now you pulled me back in so I guess I'll just have to dust off the old arfcom account and broadcast your bullshit as far and wide as I can. Not to mention be on specific lookout for any possible new areas of release to make sure there's a review linked here.
Your trailer park nonsense really don't rile my skirt since it's not applicable, but it is kinda fucking dumb as a professed owner to debase an entire group of potential customers. Tell us how you really feel about the poor. I mean, the majority of kids that you've been cryin bout are statistically going to be from the lower income bracket. It's obvious you don't care about them, being "back country trailer park" people and all. I personally don't keep company with that community, but I certainly wouldn't castigate them while attempting to promote a product that potentially targets them. You may have reached peak fudd.
I can trust my guns because I assembled the majority myself, and can spot machining flaws. The others are from reputable companies that have been around for decades, and even then they have all been completely taken apart for inspection on multiple occasions. I've even had to run some machining on those to make proper tolerances because of defects. Haven't taken my phone apart, kinda hard on a sealed body, but I do know that any time I have a smudge on the sensor or sweat on my finger the fingerprint scanner was fucked, and there's not really any way around it. Can't say I've heard of anyone having a similar problem with a mechanical lock. Metrics man, positive reviews from respected members of the gun community and documentary of torture tests are ways to build a brand; but proving yourself to be a bitch on one of the larger community platforms is not. Especially not as some hack that's trying to monetize off fear mongering.
Now I really have no dog in the fight here other than enjoying pissing you off and pointing out the obvious flaws. I know you'll be back to damage more of your rep, but in the meantime I got dinner to make, so keep choking on that giant bag of dicks you're obsessed with while you wait for my response.
"fear mongering" the fking country has PTSD from guns, people panicking in times square because a motorcycle backfired. AND NOT JUST AMERICANS. People from all over the world were in Times Square, and they ran too!! Lmao. Even they know America = get shot.
Man. I feel like talking to you about any sort of sensible gun control regulation would be pretty much impossible. You're just a fanatic. "I can spot machining flaws" oh shut up nerd.
Go for it dumbass, link this conversation. I've won this argument 3 times over lmao
You enjoy pissing me off? Believe you're mistaken bud. You reply 4 times the length of mine lmaooooo. Fking dumbass.
Anyways, bro, that last sentence was such an obvious copy of mine from the last comment. They say copying is the best form of compliment. So thank you :D, but be more original next time, tho i know it's hard when you're legally retarded
Yes, fear mongering, caused by the availability heuristic perpetuated by media, politicians,and idiots like you. I'm sorry that Japan and Uruguay are too naive to understand that the statistics bear that it is an anomaly for a foreign visitor to be randomly targeted by a mass shooter, but that's on them. There are two huge things you can do to not be a part of the seemingly large number of gun deaths in america; don't be suicidal or seek help for such an issue, and don't join a gang. Remove those two factors and your risk plummets. Of course fear pimps like you will never admit it.
You're right, you would get significant push back from me on "sensible" gun control because most asshats like you want ask for an inch and take a mile, while giving nothing in return. It is good to confirm that as the head of a company selling a gun accessory that you want to limit 2nd amendment powers, that always goes well with the core audience.
I take pride in my nerdery. Better than being a dumbass that doesn't actually know about machining and firearms, but wants to tout qc. I like understanding how tools and machines work, and that's why I like to build firearms, nothing fanatical about that. Again, you should really try not to push away an entire customer base, you're posting on fucking gun.deals, not mother jones.
Well according to the votes and comments from other members of the site, you're not really winning any argument. There have been so many flaws in you premise that I've pointed out and you've failed to respond to it's almost comical. But you know, when you're not actually trying to win the argument you can always cry racist or hang your hat on "but the children", pulled those cards early enough.
Douchnozzle, you said you were done 2 months ago and I got under your skin enough for you to come back. And you're gonna keep coming back cause you're my bitch. One thing my final review in grad school taught me was to be thorough in your response, and that I liked writing long form. This right now, is a pass time, but I do want to make sure that the world knows how much of a jackass the owner of bison really is. It's not taking much coaxing.
I also like to throw down some net speak for comedic value, cause we're on a comments section after all, but that's to help lighten the stupidity of "herpa derp, come buy my stuff cause I and less that two dozen randos on the internet says it's gud. An dis merica, if you don't buy chinesium lock you gonna die".
Dude, you literally copied my response to FuzzEButts and the formatting of my don't full retard insults, and are now calling me retarded because there is not bound to some similarity in net poo flinging? That case of head up your ass might be permanent.
Calling me an jackass doesn't make it true. We designed this gun lock to reduce preventable accidents. I've said that from the start. The children are the ones most affected by unsecured guns. It is estimated that 45 million households have unsecured loaded firearms in their homes. The biggest reason they don't lock it up is because of the need for immediate accessibility. Our product provides accessibility and security. And it's the most affordable on the market. I'm confident in my product, and the results speak for themselves.
The "statistics bear" huh. Well, you probably don't travel very much, but anyone coming to the US is warned about gun violence. It's the American thing. Each country has something to be wary about, like you go to china and you worry about fake knockoffs, you go to Japan and you worry about not knowing the correct customs, you go to Europe you worry about the language barriers, you come to the US you worry about getting shot randomly by a deranged maniac with a semi-auto AR with a bumpstock. Oh and school shootings.
You talk like placing sensible limits on second amendment rights is a bad thing. If that was so, then we should let all the criminals and mentally ill have access to fully automatic weapons. Would you agree? I stand by my beliefs, gun control provides safety to the people of this country. I'm not going to change my opinion just because some people disagree and don't buy my product.
I perpetuate fear mongering because I talk about it? So, I'm guessing ur solution to this "fear mongering" is not have the media cover it. Sounds like FREEDOM to me.
You are a fanatic. Also, you argue for the sake of argument. If you truly wanted to have a conversation, we would be talking about the product itself. You lack civility. You talk like you're here to "represent the people" but instead, you're just a lonely internet warrior with too much time on his hands so you spend it online "trying to fuck with" other people. There is nothing redeeming about that.
I'm calling you a jackass cause your mongering fear to make a buck off your product. Money by default is your major motivation, and there really is nothing that you have said that can make up for that automatic bias. You sensationalize harm to attempt to get people riled up, then proclaim to world that your product is the messiah. If you actually gave as much of a shit to the bloodshed as you claim, you'd be teaming up with law enforcement to be giving them away, but money is obviously too important.
You trying to drag in unrelated gun deaths that would have no bearing on your product shows just how disingenuous your fear mongering is. Of the data available via the CDC about gun deaths 61.2% is attributed to suicide, while gang and familial related homicide accounts for another 25.1%. That means at least 86.3% of gun deaths have nothing to do with your product, and realistically only a portion of the 1.3% that is accidental deaths are to be influenced.
It's not my fault that countries also fall for the availability heuristic, but getting mowed down by a stranger is a paltry 1.9% of firearm deaths. Foreign visitors should be far more worried about how americans drive, rather owning firearms. School shootings, while tragic and sensationalized by the media, also do not account for a significant percentage of gun deaths. Oh, and by the way, I think you missed that whole bump stock ban, so irrelevance noted.
The problem with "sensible limits" is that it is a subjective term without quantifiable boundaries, and I trust no person with a blank check on curtailing rights. Having a list of prohibited persons is great, but should be thoroughly vetted, with checks and balances. The same can be said red flagging and background checks, if they are implemented it should be with minimal burden to the law abiding populous, and easy remedy and compensation for the falsely accused. Never trust a bureaucrat to do what's in your best interest. An AWB or mag limits are off the table without something significant in return, and no, you feeling safer doesn't count.
The problem with your and the medias' obsession over gun violence is the implicit(or explicit) bias associated with it, you're both trying to monetize fear. It's been decades since most news practiced objective journalism, and now resorts to headline shock and pandering to a base. Sounds like propaganda to me, and both sides are guilty.
There was a time to talk about the product with civility, it was before you tried to pander to emotion to sell it, and wade into your raceterbation. That made it open season on fucking with you. You seem to act like I give a damn about your opinion of me, you really shouldn't.
There's so much dumb bullshit in that post i can't even be bother to reply to it all.
"It's not my fault that countries also fall for the availability heuristic, but getting mowed down by a stranger is a paltry 1.9% of firearm deaths."
First of all, fking learn grammar, you can't use an adjective without a noun it's describing, and you don't use a noun with "availability." that's like saying "availability john," makes no sense. Stop trying to use words like "heuristic" that you clearly don't understand.
Second, you fall into that category of people that sound the alarm as soon as they hear the words "sensible gun control." As soon as you hear those words, you start screaming "they're taking away our guns!!" What "blank check?" NO ONE HAS EVER SAID TO TAKE AWAY GUNS. JUST MORE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AROUND GUNS. YOU'LL GET YOUR GUN, AS LONG AS YOU PASS EXTRA TESTS. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
What do you mean "something significant in return?" and "you feeling safer doesn't count??" How self centered are you?? this country is by the people, for the people, if the people do no feel safe, then the country should take actions to make people feel safer. What?? This is why talking to you decreases my IQ.
I did not try to sway anyone with emotion. THE FACT IS --> CHILDREN ARE THE ONES MOST EFFECTED BY UNSECURED GUNS. These. Are. Facts.
F-A-C-T-S My god, how many times do I need to repeat myself.
"... realistically only a portion of the 1.3% that is accidental deaths are to be influenced."
CDC reports 39,773 firearm deaths in 2017 [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm]
39,773 * 0.013 = 517 people per year.
Never claimed my product can solve everything, wtf. Who would claim that. But, my product has the power to touch the lives of 517 Americans every year.
What are you contributing to society?
Man you do go straight retard after midnight. Did you eat, gremlin?
I'll try and help since apparently google isn't available to fuck nuggets, but the "availability heuristic" is psychological concept that people will make judgement based upon frequency of being exposed to small amounts of information, even if the actual probability of those events is extremely low. It's why people are afraid of flying. Even though the last us airline crash was over a decade ago and the number of passengers each year is three times the population, people still have an irrational fear of it. Why? Media and fools pimp the fear, the simple minded eat it up. They do the same with sharks and gun violence, make it traumatic as possible, banner it 24/7, get the rating. It's so easy with today's technology. There's you vocabulary lesson for the day, you on the internet, maybe use it next time before confirming you're a fool.
There have been many politicians that have stated outright that they would implement a gun ban if they could. Feinstein, Harris, nearly all dem 2020 candidates, cough, cough. I mean what's the point of old Joe's "gun buyback program"? There are already such programs, so it kind of sounds like he pushing for some confiscation. I get it, liberals have gotten more tactful on how they phrase things, but the sentiment isn't gone. Ya'll the same fools that think that getting an ID is too much of a burden to vote, but you want me to go through more even more stringent tests than are already in place to exercise another right? Go push a rope.
Personally I think we should revisit the NFA, you can start there. Getting ammo shipped to my door wasn't a good negotiation. Getting the ATF to stop being a clown car of dildos would also have potential. I don't fall for the feels, sorry. I mean, how selfish of me to put the rights of a nation ahead of your emotion. The erosion of rights because of hysteria never leads to laws being implemented with reason. The country should take actions that have the most impact on crime, yet least impact on its lawful citizens. I have yet to hear a plan that does that.
You seem to forget at your convenience that the vast majority of those deaths happen in impoverished communities, some of those won't have anything to do with the security of the firearm, and a small margin are actually children. Do you really think that group that's probably buying a used handgun for under $500, legally or illegally, is going to drop a hundo on some rando for a gun lock? I mean many are some dumb mutherfuckers, so they might, but I'm not banking that the masses do. "But, my product has the power to touch the lives of 517 Americans every year." Yeah, you're totally not preaching like your the messiah. Lighten up, francis.
One of my contribution is challenging tools that pimps fear for a buck. And bringing mad lols. The rest really have nothing to do with this thread.
If the availability heuristic works as you say, it's effect is to promote safety in air travel, which works out for the best for everyone involved. The fact is, guns are NOT SAFE in the hands of many people in the US. 40,000 people were kill by firearms in the US last year. That's 20 times the number of soldiers who have died IN TOTAL in the war in Afghanistan! Think about that, we lost 20 times more the number of people in US DOMESTIC gun ownership EVERY YEAR than in a WAR that's lasted almost TWENTY [20] YEARS. And you think we shouldn't do anything about that, and call it all "hysteria." It just fking blows my mind.
"You seem to forget at your convenience that the vast majority of those deaths happen in impoverished communities . . . going to drop a hundo on some rando for a gun lock?"
There's just so much wrong in that sentence. First, that's holy sht so far from the point. Second, just because someone is poor doesn't mean they don't care about their family. They bought a gun to protect themselves, therefore having immediate access to it is very important. And since the point of having the gun is to protect their family, it would really make sense to secure the gun in a way that the family members won't accidentally hurt themselves. Finally, I would be more than happy to provide my gun lock to poorer communities at much lower prices. That would be the right thing to do, and I promise that I will do it if there is a program out there that allows for it.
I pimp fear? I promote safety by providing an affordable solution to allow people to have instant access to their gun without endangering their family. What part of that pimps fear? I argue for gun control not to increase fear but to reduce it you ape!
Seriously though, the fact that you think poor people are just "dumb mutherfuckers" really shows something about your character. I don't think I want to talk to you further. Clearly, you're just an outlier, and I don't have the time to fix your morality.
It is fucking hysteria, because you don't actually understand correlation and causation. The majority of those 40000 were suicide. There are many nations that trounce our suicide rate, but have almost no access to guns. How could that be? Guns must make people kill themselves! Oh, wait, it's a mental health and culture issue, and we've pretty well killed the system that used to help those people. Thanks Regan. While, yes, there is an upward trend in suicides, yet nothing has changed about firearms. So again no causation, but an inanimate object that has a correlation to people that harm themselves and no one else. You really have no legitimate reason to fear that. That is unless you are suicidal, and in that case go get help, assuming you can find it.
As I said before, the other persistent chunk of gun deaths are going to be gang related. I'm not in a gang. I'm imagining you're not in a gang, unless you belong to the Fraternal Brotherhood of Hysteric Retards. So we really have nothing to fear from that either. Is it a messy and difficult thing try to improve, yes, and that's why no one wants to talk about it.
Our chances of dying by firearm being excluded from those two groups, is 1.68*10-5. That's .000168%. Your, fear, is, irrational. Believing that we need to alter inalienable rights based on paranoia is fucking bullshit.
You wanting to stop accidental gun deaths has everything to do with the demographics you should be targeting, and it's the impoverished that are most impacted. If someone is poor, they are probably unlikely to spend at least 20% of what they just spent on a firearm on your range toy, rather than go for the option that's free and is as reliable and secure. It would be a poor economic choice to not take that option, and that kind illogical reasoning might be a contribution to their poverty, hence dumb mutherfucker. "Finally, I would be more than happy to provide my gun lock to poorer communities at much lower prices. That would be the right thing to do, and I promise that I will do it if there is a program out there that allows for it." That is the first genuine thing that I've heard come from you, and there is nothing stopping you from doing it but getting off your ass and going to any police station in the nation. The fact that you didn't know already this, despite me saying it several times, blows my mind. Wait, no it doesn't.
You pimp fear because you try give causative merit between your product and the entire nations gun deaths, of which it would have minimal impact on by percentage. You argue for control because you fear what you don't understand; you are very unlikely to be targeted or randomly killed by a firearm. Repeat that until you understand it. Overall violence is down, and has followed that trend since the 90's. What persists are gangs and suicides, and rather than focus on the firearms of law abiding citizens, we should put our efforts at the root cause of those problems. We're all apes fool.
I never said that all poor people are dumb mutherfuckers, just many. And that's rich coming from the classist asshole who first that wanted to spew insults based on income. "back country trailer park you call your "house."" ring a bell? Nothing wrong with my morality; try not to kill people, don't fuck with our rights, gun safety is generically good, and we need to improve our mental health system. Plenty of us are on the same page.
Several of the "unique" reviews on amazon show the SAME GUN AND TABLECLOTH. This entire post is fill of shills.....
I booked one at Amazon and I look forward to it. I think this is a great and innovative product that solves the safety problem of my gun.
It's to keep your weapon safe, like in case you have children or family members who you don't trust to have access to the gun. It's pretty convenient, very reliable, and the alternative is a gun safe or lock/key operated gunlock. A fingerprint gunlock is safer, easier to use, allows you to place the gun anywhere in the house, and costs about the same as a gun safe. Also, if someone breaks into your house, you wanna go find your keys, run to the gun safe, and unlock the gun? Or would you rather reach into your nightstand and slid your finger across the sensor and have ur gun ready immediately? "Please tell me this is a joke" my ass
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